CSA fining members for riding choc mtb

[Eldron]

Guys, I am a bit unsure. This was a race like any other. With prize money and podiums.

 

The charity aspect being thrown around is just to be dramatic. Almost every other race also has a charity aspect somewhere.

 

Or is it just a against UCI/CSA thing?

It's actually a UCI rule that the CSA is "forced" to implement and it's only for holders of racing licenses.

 

The fine is only at races the CSA doesn't sanction.

 

Oddly enough I kinda agree with it. It keeps the pros away from smaller races and gives developing talent a chance to shine.

 

The reason CSA are now being tough about it is questionable of course. I don't like the CSA at all and I suspect they're getting tough to try and force races to be CSA sanctioned (and scalp their chunk of the entry fee of course!).

[DieselnDust]

I think the CSA is just trying very hard to comply with its mandate to maintain its affiliation status. If CSA is not affiliated then Alan, Mariska and others need to find another flag to race under. The rules are the rules

[andydude]

It's actually a UCI rule that the CSA is "forced" to implement and it's only for holders of racing licenses.

 

The fine is only at races the CSA doesn't sanction.

 

Oddly enough I kinda agree with it. It keeps the pros away from smaller races and gives developing talent a chance to shine.

 

The reason CSA are now being tough about it is questionable of course. I don't like the CSA at all and I suspect they're getting tough to try and force races to be CSA sanctioned (and scalp their chunk of the entry fee of course!).

I think the CSA is just trying very hard to comply with its mandate to maintain its affiliation status. If CSA is not affiliated then Alan, Mariska and others need to find another flag to race under. The rules are the rules

Cool thanks.

 

Was just trying to understand the outrage that's worse for this one. Seems the "charity" thing increased the emotion.

 

I think I should try to get involved more at club & CSA level. Try to offer my time.

[DieselnDust]

Ya the charity thing throws emotion.into the agrument.organisers of events shoukd disclose the status of their events as well in terms of sanctioned vs non sanctioned so that riders also understand what they are entering into.

[kosmonooit]

Sso ... in 2018 CSA spends its time sniffing out and punishing members / athletes for supporting charity events instead of giving any support whatsoever to our elites at the UCI World Championships?

 

What a disgrace  ... one word leaps to mind .... FAIL!

[Gen]

It's actually a UCI rule that the CSA is "forced" to implement and it's only for holders of racing licenses.

 

The fine is only at races the CSA doesn't sanction.

 

Oddly enough I kinda agree with it. It keeps the pros away from smaller races and gives developing talent a chance to shine.

 

The reason CSA are now being tough about it is questionable of course. I don't like the CSA at all and I suspect they're getting tough to try and force races to be CSA sanctioned (and scalp their chunk of the entry fee of course!).

See the thing is because CSA have completely stuffed things up in during the last few years people and race organisers are so anti them that they honestly just don't care about getting a ban for competing in a non sanctioned race..if CSA had been doing a better job more races would be sanctioned and they would have more public support

 

They are just not going about things in the right way.

 

If they offered race organisers something of value sure maybe they would be on board..they can't even tell members where their fees are going to..except insurance that they may or may not pay.

[WrightJnr]

But that's all changed now hasn't it?

Can’t say. Haven’t held a license for a few years now. Great news if it has, but I doubt it. Would need to check a MSA handbook.

[Kranswurm]

See the thing is because CSA have completely stuffed things up in during the last few years people and race organisers are so anti them that they honestly just don't care about getting a ban for competing in a non sanctioned race..if CSA had been doing a better job more races would be sanctioned and they would have more public support

 

They are just not going about things in the right way.

Its only applicable to full racing licences

[Patchelicious]

Its only applicable to full racing licences

The state of CSA is applicable to everybody.

[Gen]

Its only applicable to full racing licences

Yes I know that..my point is there has been a breakdown in relationship between CSA and well everyone..if they handled things better maybe things would be different.

[porqui]

I think the CSA is just trying very hard to comply with its mandate to maintain its affiliation status. If CSA is not affiliated then Alan, Mariska and others need to find another flag to race under. The rules are the rules

 

 

Now there is the thing - IF IT DID what it is MANDATED to do then ALL would be well.

[Eldron]

See the thing is because CSA have completely stuffed things up in during the last few years people and race organisers are so anti them that they honestly just don't care about getting a ban for competing in a non sanctioned race..

Agreed. The problem is that if the ban covered a period where a provincial or national or worlds qualifier was being held then the racer would care a lot!

 

Everyday Joe is not affected by this rule but banning a racer from racing has real consequences.

[Gen]

I think the CSA is just trying very hard to comply with its mandate to maintain its affiliation status. If CSA is not affiliated then Alan, Mariska and others need to find another flag to race under. The rules are the rules

Rubbish CSA are starting to enforce the rule to force more races to be sanctioned so that they can try and balance the books..nothing else.

[Gen]

Agreed. The problem is that if the ban covered a period where a provincial or national or worlds qualifier was being held then the racer would care a lot!

 

Everyday Joe is not affected by this rule but banning a racer from racing has real consequences.

Everyday Joe make up the bulk of the day licence fee..that is all CSA are after... as stated above they are in need of funds and to them sanctioned races are the quickest way of getting those funds... it is all a heavy handed attempt to have more races sanctioned.

 

 

By enforcing the rule what they are doing is hoping these full racing riders would go to the organisers and say guys you need to be sanctioned .

[Eldron]

Everyday Joe make up the bulk of the day licence fee..that is all CSA are after... as stated above they are in need of funds and to them sanctioned races are the quickest way of getting those funds... it is all a heavy handed attempt to have more races sanctioned.

I suspect so but part of me thinks they're so incompetent that to plan and implement this sgrategy is beyond their ability :-)

 

It comes back to the race draw card. If Pros are the draw card then this is a good strategy - if people race because they love to race then Pros not being there won't affect numbers at all.

 

I suspect most people don't care if the Pros take part or not.

[Gen]

What I would like to see if CSA put out a quarterly financial statement stating

 

1. Member fees etc ollected and what it went towards

2. Race sanction fees and how it was spent etc

 

They need to desperately earn back the trust of the cycling community..if race organisers and riders could see where the money goes maybe just maybe more events and riders would get on board.. hell we are lucky if they release annual financial statements at the AGM so I know this is a pointless wish list.