For the aviation fans

[Long Wheel Base]

Sure, you make a valid point. I am only guessing that since they were repeating the mantra, it must have been because they were instructed to by the cockpit? If so, then the pilots were thinking they might have a crash landing? Perhaps there's more to the story.

 

_{Calling on LWB...what's the scoop on the shop floor?} 

TBH this is the first I hear of this incident. I was called back to work late Monday night with an oil leak from a A319 APU and was busy fixing it till the early hours of yesterday morning. I was then off work the rest of the day. Got back today and it has been flatbox the whole morning getting a mango APU ready to be shipped overseas for repair.

Once I have a few spare minutes I will do some asking around and see what I can find out.

[SwissVan]

TBH this is the first I hear of this incident. I was called back to work late Monday night with an oil leak from a A319 APU and was busy fixing it till the early hours of yesterday morning. I was then off work the rest of the day. Got back today and it has been flatbox the whole morning getting a mango APU ready to be shipped overseas for repair.

Once I have a few spare minutes I will do some asking around and see what I can find out.

Unconfirmed post on avcom saying a charger or charging point for the cockpit crews iPad caught alight

[Robbie Stewart]

Unconfirmed post on avcom saying a charger or charging point for the cockpit crews iPad caught alight

 

iPad pffft. It was a Galaxy Note 7...    

[Bateleur1]

iPad pffft. It was a Galaxy Note 7...    

 

Iphone on the SAA flight.  Galaxy Note 7 was on the BA flight ... 

[Robbie Stewart]

So on AVCOM the general theory relates to an excessively overweight landing due to the inability of the A330 to dump fuel.

 

To quote:

 

"Yes correct, probably in the region of 235t. MLW is 187t on these A333 airframes. So that would have been a very overweight landing. I imagine those brake temps got interesting."

 

Also on the thread is this pic of the Landing Gear brakes once the plane came to a complete stop.

 

[MrJacques]

Wow 

[SwissVan]

Wow

Ja Nee

Don’t underestimate the speed and weight with which a plane meets Mother Earth, even under controlled circumstances

 

Could not have been that bad, no brake fires ????

????

[Bateleur1]

So on AVCOM the general theory relates to an excessively overweight landing due to the inability of the A330 to dump fuel.

 

To quote:

 

"Yes correct, probably in the region of 235t. MLW is 187t on these A333 airframes. So that would have been a very overweight landing. I imagine those brake temps got interesting."

 

Also on the thread is this pic of the Landing Gear brakes once the plane came to a complete stop.

 

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Many years ago there was a Hubber here (can't remember the name now) who was a 737 pilot for SAA (propably still is).  He posted pics of a 737 that he was taking off with at ORT when they struck something like 5 Hadidas.  So they had to abort the take off.  Aparently after they aborted the takeoff, ATC actually asked them if they wanted to stop as soon as they rolled off the runway on which they crew replied they would like to keep the aircraft moving and they should find them a spot at the terminal where they can park.  The need to keep the aircraft moving until the brakes have cooled down otherwise they could risk the whole assembly to melt together and then that plane is not going anywhere.

[Long Wheel Base]

So on AVCOM the general theory relates to an excessively overweight landing due to the inability of the A330 to dump fuel.

 

To quote:

 

"Yes correct, probably in the region of 235t. MLW is 187t on these A333 airframes. So that would have been a very overweight landing. I imagine those brake temps got interesting."

 

Also on the thread is this pic of the Landing Gear brakes once the plane came to a complete stop.

 

9BEEEE65-D93C-48AA-97C9-13B13B1CE0E4.jpeg

 

So on AVCOM the general theory relates to an excessively overweight landing due to the inability of the A330 to dump fuel.

 

To quote:

 

"Yes correct, probably in the region of 235t. MLW is 187t on these A333 airframes. So that would have been a very overweight landing. I imagine those brake temps got interesting."

 

Also on the thread is this pic of the Landing Gear brakes once the plane came to a complete stop.

 

9BEEEE65-D93C-48AA-97C9-13B13B1CE0E4.jpeg

Bring die vleis, ons gaan nou braai.

I've seen some pretty hot brakes before but never as red as that. 

[Long Wheel Base]

Here is the statement I received on our internal email. I am still trying to find out exactly what happened with the smoke. I have a buddy that should have more info for me just now.

 

 

 

JOHANNESBURG. 6 August 2019. South African Airways (SAA) would like to apologize to all its passengers for the inconvenience and anxiety caused to all its customers who flew from Johannesburg and Accra to Washington D.C. on Sunday.

 

Two unconnected incidents contributed to the delay in departure from Accra on Sunday night. The first was damage to the aircraft door and subsequent to that, a technical problem occurred which led to a decision to night-stop in Accra whilst waiting for a replacement aircraft. 

 

SAA operated a scheduled flight, SA 209 on Sunday from Johannesburg to Washington D.C. via Accra. The flight operated in a normal way from Johannesburg to Accra using Airbus A330-200.

 

Whilst on the ground in Accra, there was a delay which lasted for approximately three hours after an aircraft door was damaged by a catering truck operated by SAA’s service provider at that airport. The aircraft door was fixed, inspected and found to be in working order to operate.

 

The stop-over in Accra en route to the United States is part of SAA’s operations in that market and serves to offload and pick up passengers as well as to refuel.

 

After refuelling, the aircraft took off at approximately 03h13 UTC but soon returned to the airport in Accra when the cockpit crew noticed that the aircraft was experiencing a technical problem, which was detected in the cockpit. The operating crew followed standard operating procedures in cases of emergencies throughout and landed the aircraft safely as soon as possible.

 

The incident led to an operational decision that it was undesirable to continue to operate the flight to Washington D.C.

 

There is no information or basis to make a connection between damage to the aircraft door and the technical problem experienced in the cockpit while the aircraft was airborne.

 

Contrary to reports on social media and other platforms, SAA would like to reiterate that there was no fire in the cockpit. No one was injured and the aircraft made an air-turn back and landed safely in Accra with all 223 passengers on board and the operating crew.

 

The aircraft is still on the ground in Accra and is being attended to by the technicians to establish the cause of the technical problem.

 

SAA provided hotel accommodation to its customers in Accra and provided other services to mitigate the impact of the inconvenience to our passengers. In addition, SAA dispatched a replacement aircraft from Johannesburg to Accra to fly the passengers to their final destination.

 

The flight departed from Accra at 18h01 UTC on Monday, operated as SA9209 and has landed in Washington D.C. on Tuesday at 04h21 UTC.

 

Whilst the incidents could not have been foreseen, the decision was taken based on safety considerations, in the best interests of passengers and crew.

 

SAA is grateful that our crew followed every safety procedure and did not discount anything.  

[kosmonooit]

Carbon brake discs do glow under normal use as far as I know, same kind of  thing as F1

[Robbie Stewart]

Carbon brake discs do glow under normal use as far as I know, same kind of  thing as F1

 

Just to be sure, this was not a "normal" landing. When banging a plane weighing in the region of 240 tons, exceeding its maximum landing weight of 182 tons, onto a runway, it would take some top notch engineering to prevent the whole landing gear structure to not simply melt on the spot, or even to simply collapse under the sheer stress and forces exerted onto the gear struts.

 

Now that I think about it, this is probably why the cabin crew were going bananas. They were most likely told by someone in the cockpit to prepare for a load of poo coming their way.

 

Again, LWB would know, but I am sure a crew of SAA Technical is crawling all over that particular airframe to make sure it is serviceable. (at least I would hope so).

[Old school]

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https://youtu.be/V4MCcjvs7co

[Bateleur1]

Some entertaining videos on the toppic

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irTizOVM-3U

 

This clip you can clearly see the glowing brakes

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6UswiRCF0

[Long Wheel Base]

Ok so there was no "smoke" at all. The aircraft had been on the ground for a few hours while they were fixing the door. The aircon had been running at max. Then once the doors got closed and everything cooled down it was high condensation. The pilot claimed they smelled smoke but no signs of any sort of smoke can be found. The aircraft came back this morning and is in the hanger now having the door looked at.

[Bateleur1]

Ok so there was no "smoke" at all. The aircraft had been on the ground for a few hours while they were fixing the door. The aircon had been running at max. Then once the doors got closed and everything cooled down it was high condensation. The pilot claimed they smelled smoke but no signs of any sort of smoke can be found. The aircraft came back this morning and is in the hanger now having the door looked at.

 

O donner.