The Abortion Issue

[@ndy]

You avatar is peculiar, but seeing as you think somehow it's funny to be making such a statement when presenting yourself as Moses holding the stone tablets God wrote the 10 commandments on, I will point you to the command God gave Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Contrary to popular, liberal constructs, the earth is here for man, not man for the earth. Man, as described in the Bible, is made in God's image, as the pinnacle of His creation, and to destroy life is evil and rebellious in His sight. Our mandate is to care for the planet, and man has sadly done a poor job of it thus far, but to kill innocent life? Now who's playing God?

Years ago when I joined the hub I had no idea how to make an avatar and this one was about the first one I saw. Its just an interesting picture with two mildly amusing instructions I think some people could do well to follow. I couldn't care less if it was depicting Moses, Jesus, Mohhamed, Thor or George Bush. 

 

It would be a good time for slowing down on the going forth and multiplying as this instruction is aging badly. I hope things change but right now more people is one of the last things humanity needs.

 

If the Earth is here for Man then why is he not fuming about the fact that we are destroying it and the most successful eco systems on earth exist where there are less or no people interfering.

 

I fully respect your perspective but mine is fundamentally different. I feel we don't have any more right to life than the other creatures on the earth. So there is not much point in our discussion I just wanted to put my position out here.

[Odinson]

No. A miscarriage is a medical condition, whereby the woman is unable to carry the baby full term. God does not want anyone to die, but sadly, some do. But then, if a child does sadly die, that child is with Him.

 

I struggled with this, but read a while back where God was instructing Moses about the Law, and they were dealing with skin disease, and what to do when they get sick. It struck me that God was instructing Moses that He could heal, but that He was not always going to do so, and that Moses better implement some hygiene and medical protocols to keep his people healthy.

 

An omnipotent, omniscient god, directly intervening in the hygiene standards of ancient Jewish desert dwellers! Holy balls, the hubris! 

[Shebeen]

I base my opinions on science, agreed. 

 

except when its the bible stuff, then who needs science?!

You avatar is peculiar, but seeing as you think somehow it's funny to be making such a statement when presenting yourself as Moses holding the stone tablets God wrote the 10 commandments on, I will point you to the command God gave Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Contrary to popular, liberal constructs, the earth is here for man, not man for the earth. Man, as described in the Bible, is made in God's image, as the pinnacle of His creation, and to destroy life is evil and rebellious in His sight. Our mandate is to care for the planet, and man has sadly done a poor job of it thus far, but to kill innocent life? Now who's playing God?

[Piston ZA]

You avatar is peculiar, but seeing as you think somehow it's funny to be making such a statement when presenting yourself as Moses holding the stone tablets God wrote the 10 commandments on, I will point you to the command God gave Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Contrary to popular, liberal constructs, the earth is here for man, not man for the earth. Man, as described in the Bible, is made in God's image, as the pinnacle of His creation, and to destroy life is evil and rebellious in His sight. Our mandate is to care for the planet, and man has sadly done a poor job of it thus far, but to kill innocent life? Now who's playing God?

Tell that to the same republicans who approved the bill but still deny man-made climate change. Or do they only cherry-pick the parts of the bible that suit them?

[Shebeen]

Tx for pointing that out. So it was only in the senate where all 25 that voted to approve it were only white males.

 

Still terrible but clearly some of the responses that it was ONLY white males that approved this whole process are a bit misleading.

 

Eish those people would have thrived in the middle ages

 

 

check it!!

 

[Skubarra]

check it!!

 

 

But the point is it's not only the senate that voted on this. Also the house of representatives which aren't just white males and the governor that pushed for this is a woman.

 

So these type of memes only tell part of the story

 

I don't agree with the decision but I also don't agree with misleading memes to push agendas even if I agree with the agenda.

[Edition 507]

Okay, what do you believe to be the point where life begins?

Life begins before conception. Is an ovum not alive? Is sperm not alive?

[IceCreamMan]

Also, appears to be a little known fact regarding american politics..... 

 

Women are actually entitled to vote and guess what , they do.

 

Those elected officials who made the call were elected by....men and WOMEN....

 

So , if women do not like these decisions guess what will happen in the next election, and we all know politicians only care about self preservation. 

 

So, ultimately women were complicit in this decision, whether directly or indirectly. To think this is a decision taken only by men is puerile. 

[Odinson]

Life begins before conception. Is an ovum not alive? Is sperm not alive?

 

How can we see if our eyes aren't real?

[Skubarra]

I base my opinions on science, agreed. But as any astute scientist will confirm, I, nor am I certain any sincere person, will pretend to be a walking scientific journal, who can draw on specific facts without a level of research being applied. But this discussion is not about the body rejecting a fertilized egg. This discussion is about terminating a viable baby which has begin to grow in the mother's body, which if there was no human intervention, the body would in all likelyhood not have rejected.

 

But the whole point of anti-abortionists is that life starts at conception, when the majority of conceptions don't result in viable babies. So for me it's just a very convenient argument for anti-abortionists not really a scientific one.

[Chris_]

How can we see if our eyes aren't real?

 

Matrix?

[cat-i]

Life begins before conception. Is an ovum not alive? Is sperm not alive?

 

Couldn't help but think of Monty Pythen here - every sperm is sacred ...

[Gen]

A careful study of Scripture will prove you wrong. Woman is made as man's helper, but before God, they are equal. God even warns that if a man treats his wife badly, he should not even pray to God, for his prayers will not be heard. But hey, it's easy to play loose and fast with Scripture, and what it says, if you are likely to use Wikipedia as a source of information rather than studying Scripture, even just to convince yourself that you don't agree with what the Bible instructs.

 

Then like Stretch mentioned earlier, you can make pre-supposed assumptions by not reading it, as you have already decided beforehand that it must be archaic and backward? (as referring to his comment about not reading the Alabama Bill, not the Bible. Sorry Stretch, not attacking you, just using an example.)

Don't be that guy who takes out pieces of scripture that you like that will back up what you say when you know very well scripture says over and over and over again how a wife must obey her husband he is the head of the household.

 

Peter

Ephesians

Colossians

Titus

Timothy

Genesis.. and and and.

 

 

 

And this is why you can't understand when we say it is a woman's choice what she does with her body.

[Chris_]

Oh no...

[Gen]

I base my opinions on science, agreed. But as any astute scientist will confirm, I, nor am I certain any sincere person, will pretend to be a walking scientific journal, who can draw on specific facts without a level of research being applied. But this discussion is not about the body rejecting a fertilized egg. This discussion is about terminating a viable baby which has begin to grow in the mother's body, which if there was no human intervention, the body would in all likelyhood not have rejected.

You only base your opinion on science when it is not in conflict with your beliefs/religion.

[Robbie Stewart]

Don't be that guy who takes out pieces of scripture that you like that will back up what you say when you know very well scripture says over and over and over again how a wife must obey her husband he is the head of the household.

 

Peter

Ephesians

Colossians

Titus

Timothy

Genesis.. and and and.

 

The bible is a book put together by power hungry men to to control people as it is the same with other religions and their scriptures...

 

I don't agree. Yes, it says the wife submits to her husband, in the same way that Christ submits to the Father. Again, a proper study of scripture will reveal that even though Christ submits to the will of the Father, He is still on an equal footing. His submission is not forced, it is a willful submission, whereby He does the good and perfect will of the Father. We are commanded as men, to care and provide for our wives and children, and not doing so will prevent us from being able to approach God. 

 

As for the bible being a construct of a group of power hungry men, well now. The burden of proof is on you to back up your statement, although, ~1500 years of time between the first and last books of the bible, as well as decades, if not centuries, of scholarly effort, disproves that theory.