apple series 4 or garmin fenix 5

[mecheng89]

Let's throw a spanner in the works - Forerunner 935. 

 

Cheaper than the Femix 5, does the same. 

[mecheng89]

Before I bought a Fenix I went through reviews on different watches. Youtube videos to watch are Desfit, Rizknows and DC Rainmaker. The Apple is suppose to have to have the best HR sensor. You can use it without having your cell with you. Fenix has music, Garmin pay, smart notifications when connected to cell. That being said buy the Fenix 5 Plus. Its the most versatile of the range. As an alternative at a lower price point look at the Instinct ( cannot pair with Garmin swim). Your deciding factor should be what are you really going to use it for and then look at which features are available on which device.

Have you seen the new MARQ range? 

[shaper]

+1 Fenix

[dave303e]

Let's throw a spanner in the works - Forerunner 935. 

 

Cheaper than the Femix 5, does the same. 

 

Shall we chuck a bigger spanner- Suunto Spartan Trainer at half the price of the 935 with nearly the same functionality?

[Mudsimus]

Do you want a fashion accessory or a proper sports watch?

[Juriekruger]

I would say garmin, apple watch workouts cannot be exported to other apps. So you wont get your rides on Strava or whatever other tools you might want to use. You cannot connect other sensors to it. 

 

Also if you ever want to move away from an apple phone your apple watch is useless. 

[Grebel]

Hi all

 

I would like to get the option of the hub on these two watches. Ive had an apple watch series 2 till it fell and broke last week. I liked the apple watch but now im considering the garmin phenix 5.

 

Im only cycling atm with a little jog here and there so no real need for multi sport function atm.

 

Thanks hub apreciate it

 

If you are going to use all the functions of the Fenix then I would go with that option. If you are just using it to track HR, speed and the course that you rode without the power, training effect etc then there are units at half the price that will do what you want.

 

I recently bought an Instinct. Tracks my rides and I use it for the odd run as well as at the gym. I'm not a triathlete, I don't swim and have no need to measure power so the Instinct was perfect for me and it looks similar to my G-Shock that it replaced. It has navigation but I'll probably never use that. The barometer is a nice function as well to warn of bad weather if you hike.

 

I suppose it depends on your lifestyle and what you want out of the unit. 

 

Edit: I don't own a puffy jacket, Woolies Jeans or Salamons.....

[Simon123]

Apple doesn't have sensor integration.

 

For the Fenix you can get speed, cadence, power, indoor trainer, temperature, heck even HR. Something like a Scosche is significantly more accurate for cycling anyway - though wrist HR is just fine for your jogging.

 

Frankly without sensor support and the integration into a wider ecosystem that comes with it, the Apple remains an excellent lifestyle watch with some decent fitness features. The Fenix is the other way around.

 

It's about what you want from it.

I have an Edge 820 for sensors on both MTB and road bike.   I use wristwatch on my DH bike.

 

I only ride about 12hrs a week, the rest of the week the Apple kicks my Garmin's ass so bad, it's laughable.

 

If it breaks, it breaks, I will replace it.  I just have endure 6 months more of Garmin on my wrist.  So far the ONLY plus for me is that I only need to charge it once a week, that is pretty cool.

 

 

Weakest on-bike unit they've made in a while. I suspect the newest iteration of the 820 may have solved the issues users had.

 

Dunno what I'm missing, but it works pretty well for me so far.  Customised the screens, battery life good, survived being dunked, live segments.... what am I missing?

 

 

And lets now open a huge can of worms:    Garmin is just not super accurate!   Huge long jagged lines, where even a basic iPhone in your pocket has accurate GPS.  We tested this between our group and results all over-layed:    iPhone, Apple Watch, Samsung something phone, 820, Fenix, 735.    Over a long technical ride, the Garmins were just zig-zags!

 

And go.... pull on those puffer jackets, Woolies jeans, and defend that Fenix!     

[Be4dawn]

Thanks for everything thus far guys, I will keep my eye on here now especially with the can of worms now open ????

[edgarblount]

Just to confirm. You guys are referring to the Woolies branded jeans, not Country Road or Trenery jeans?  ​ 

[Simon123]

Just to confirm. You guys are referring to the Woolies branded jeans, not Country Road or Trenery jeans?  ​ 

All the same, worn by those who regale you with stories around braai's in their event branded puffer jackets about that one time they were only 2 hours off the winner's time in Joburg2C or that other time they touched Nino's butt in the diningroom at the Epic.

 

EDIT:  forgot to add:   "stonewash" finish mandatory.

 

EDIT EDIT:  Stereotypes exist because they are true.

[Just Jacques]

Fenix for me 

At the end of the day , buy what you can afford and the device that will cater for your needs .

[RocknRolla]

All the same, worn by those who regale you with stories around braai's in their event branded puffer jackets about that one time they were only 2 hours off the winner's time in Joburg2C or that other time they touched Nino's butt in the diningroom at the Epic.

 

EDIT:  forgot to add:   "stonewash" finish mandatory.

 

EDIT EDIT:  Stereotypes exist because they are true.

 

 

... runs off and burns all event clothing on a fire made by shorting out apple watch battery....

[dave303e]

 

 

 

And lets now open a huge can of worms:    Garmin is just not super accurate!   Huge long jagged lines, where even a basic iPhone in your pocket has accurate GPS.  We tested this between our group and results all over-layed:    iPhone, Apple Watch, Samsung something phone, 820, Fenix, 735.    Over a long technical ride, the Garmins were just zig-zags!

 

And go.... pull on those puffer jackets, Woolies jeans, and defend that Fenix!     

 

 

Ok I am not going to defend a Fenix but seeing as you are the 'pro GPS accuracy Tester' I will speak up.

 

"Accurate GPS?" Well that is a broad term, GPS is actually only the American Constellation of satellites and their positioning system and in terms of an accurate GPS as a statement is total bull because the System supplies the same readings to most devices using it (except where tactical importance to limit location services is required). The sensor that reads the system is where the accuracy is determined by both internal and external factors(topography, weather, big shiny surfaces, battery saving mode etc.). The Americans also tend to control who receives what signals from their GPS this lead to other constellations because they can and do just shut it down for certain countries as and when they please so certain countries built their own versions.

 

The Apple and a lot of the newer Sports watches are able to read signals from GLONASS and Galileo signals- meaning they read other constellations of location satellites providing time/ location information. This improves accuracy as more signals are pinged and there is more input into the position calculation. The receivers are also more limited by external factors than internal factors and the big jagged lines are nothing to do with accuracy they are purely based on the frequency of measurement/calculation which is done to manage battery life and storage. Accuracy is the position of the points at the end of the big jagged line and I am 90% sure your spherical trig and understanding of geodesy is not up to par to calculate those positions more accurately, even if you had a device which could give you the raw data to calculate it yourself.

 

Apple watch is a fashion accessory not a sports watch. When it gets a proper screen or you have done some real studies into the 'GPS accuracy' then you can talk until then it is just soft gadget meant for braais not real outdoors. There is a reason guys like Conrad Anker are not wearing them but your average tour de coffee shop specialist will find it brilliant...

[shaper]

I see a few apple fanboys 

[Opc_danny]

At least series 4 apple can pair up to a 3rd party HR strap.