SRAM back pedaling on DOT fluid

[Jewbacca]

4 minutes ago, Headshot said:

But how does a 30 year old motorbike maintenance free shock still work fine while a bike version would have died within a fraction of that without maintenance? 

Same can be said for 30 year old frame linkage bearings which also still rotate smoothly enough to remain in service with zero maintenance done over the years. 

Jokes aside, one of the big factors is weight.

Creating something to feed the weight weeny in everyone definitely impacts the longevity of the product.

Bike parts need to weigh next to nothing in order to be competitive, so it is a big factor.

Other modern concepts that involve 'quick and easy' servicing means that bearings are made to be popped out and replaced and not serviced. It keeps production going, costs low and is quick and can be done by anyone with half a braincell

[Headshot]

1 minute ago, MORNE said:

stuff built in the 80/90s was just more betterer?

why vintage bikes are still working with a bit of spit and polish...same reason why a 2018 mini/alfa/fiat/vw wont be collectable or classic is 30y time lol..it probably wont even work anymore. Stuff is built to NOT last these days...on purpose. Nothing else...all this high performance this, tolerance that is all marketing BS to pander to consumerism. 

I tend to agree with you if I think back to the lack of issues in a 1992 BMW compared to the shite you get with newer versions...

[Headshot]

1 minute ago, Jewbacca said:

Jokes aside, one of the big factors is weight.

Creating something to feed the weight weeny in everyone definitely impacts the longevity of the product.

Bike parts need to weigh next to nothing in order to be competitive, so it is a big factor.

Other modern concepts that involve 'quick and easy' servicing means that bearings are made to be popped out and replaced and not serviced. It keeps production going, costs low and is quick and can be done by anyone with half a braincell

Up to a point - the motorbike I'm restoring is very easy to work on and it has replaceable bearings - I think bicycles are harder in some respects. I agree its as heavy as f*&k and that may well be as a result of over engineering and a need for durability from a rider safety perspective.

[Steady Spin]

1 hour ago, DieselnDust said:

there's no such thing as zero maintenance.

extended intervals yes but not zero

5 year intervals. Decided to bleed them for the sake of bleeding and the fluid was hardly discolored. 

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, Duane_Bosch said:

I had a set of Hope V2's. Got them from CRC. I went big with braided hoses and floating rotors. Multiple Alps trips. Many many many full pulls of Pleney. No fade. 0 bleeds. 

 

Then I got a bike with Shimano Saints. I have a bottle of mineral oil in my garage.

I have similar experience with my Hope Pro X2 brakes. admittedly they don't produce much power and when they need maintenance they tell by suddenly delivering exponentially less braking ability but other than regular maintenance they're maintenance free..

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, Duane_Bosch said:

Credibility gone. You have to praise all Hope and Garmin products irrespective of your personal Experience

slight correction LOL

[DieselnDust]

1 hour ago, Headshot said:

Up to a point - the motorbike I'm restoring is very easy to work on and it has replaceable bearings - I think bicycles are harder in some respects. I agree its as heavy as f*&k and that may well be as a result of over engineering and a need for durability from a rider safety perspective.

 

And but back in the good old days we didn't care so much for Noise vibration harshess, air quality and emissions and safey came from the driver knowing how to operate the steering wheel, brakes, clutch and used the seat belt.

As we decided we need the humble car or motorcycle to do more things than just get from A to B and chucked in the "How" we get there i.e. in more comfort, more silence, with more tunes or more smug through less smog said car and motor bike got heavier and engines had to produce more specific power output and brakes had to be morepowerful with ABS  but stay the same weight.

A 1992 BMW has lasted 30years whereas there isno way a 2022 BMW will get to 2052 as if it doesn't fall apart by then the thought police will kill it

[The Ouzo]

22 minutes ago, DieselnDust said:

 

And but back in the good old days we didn't care so much for Noise vibration harshess, air quality and emissions and safey came from the driver knowing how to operate the steering wheel, brakes, clutch and used the seat belt.

As we decided we need the humble car or motorcycle to do more things than just get from A to B and chucked in the "How" we get there i.e. in more comfort, more silence, with more tunes or more smug through less smog said car and motor bike got heavier and engines had to produce more specific power output and brakes had to be morepowerful with ABS  but stay the same weight.

A 1992 BMW has lasted 30years whereas there isno way a 2022 BMW will get to 2052 as if it doesn't fall apart by then the thought police will kill it

on the weight gain thing.

Recently watched a video clip of a drag race between a '90s Superboss and a new Polo GTI. Despite the Polo having more turbo charged power and idiot proof DSG box the Superboss was right next to it the entire way.

It boiled down to weight, around 400kgs difference between the 2.

[Headshot]

On 4/13/2022 at 3:10 PM, DieselnDust said:

 

And but back in the good old days we didn't care so much for Noise vibration harshess, air quality and emissions and safey came from the driver knowing how to operate the steering wheel, brakes, clutch and used the seat belt.

As we decided we need the humble car or motorcycle to do more things than just get from A to B and chucked in the "How" we get there i.e. in more comfort, more silence, with more tunes or more smug through less smog said car and motor bike got heavier and engines had to produce more specific power output and brakes had to be morepowerful with ABS  but stay the same weight.

A 1992 BMW has lasted 30years whereas there isno way a 2022 BMW will get to 2052 as if it doesn't fall apart by then the thought police will kill it

Pretty much. The 1992 BMW had drum brakes at the back and no ABS but still managed to ford rivers in the Baviaans, carry bikes on a rack and generally not fall apart. Ball joints on the front used to wear out but were a cheap and easy fix without buying a whole new control arm. The prop shaft never failed - unlike my much newer X3 which wore out its shaft after far fewer km. My 2002 MX5 was probably the best in terms of modern safety features (for a lightweight car of its type) and ease of service and longevity. ABS brakes, 2x air bags and totally sorted handling which made it really safe and fun to drive. 

[Danger Dassie]

Weight/performance, longevity and cheap. Pick any two.