Tubeless vs tubes

[AndreZA]

Mampara' date='  Do you use tyre liners with the filled tubes or not?[/quote']

 

no. I think by the time you finally got it to sits right and the correct length, it had destroyed too many tubes.

 

 

[idrive]

In the last 4 months I've had two tubless punctured. One was by a piece of steel that ripped the tyre. The other was a nail, bold or something that made a hole that was too big to repair.

 

Tubless tyres are much more expensive than normal tyres!!!!

[dirtrider]

You wanna see what else I can do to myself besides contraditing . I am not here to convince you , if you wanna rides with tubes or even permatubes it is your problem not mine !

[TNOSE_E]

I run tubless in one bike and filled tubes with liners in the other (this bike gets ridden more). The tubless is a Joe's stans conv. Run same tyres on both bikes. I have had much less issues with the filled tubes than the tubless.

 

The tubless is lighter though compared to my setup with the liners. Also std (branch through tyre) puncture (plug) repair is faster with the tubless than changing a tube out with the filled tubes.

 

But I must say I have less issues with filled tubes and liners.

[RockCoach]

 

2 : imagine the puntures they will get without it . If it does not work why do they even bother ?

 

 

My issue is why do they puncture so often?  I thought you didn't have to avoid obstacles anymore?  Are they running skinny tyres that are not cut proof or are they just unlucky.  It just doesn't add up.

 

My understanding is that they come with these European spec ultra-light race tyres which don't stand a chance in African conditions.

 

But that's just what I heard

 

[Spinnekop]

I run a standard Maxxis Crossmark tyre with Mavic SLR wheels.

 

In 4 years (Including various small races and an Epic) I have not had one puncture.

I did manage to rip the tubeless valve off once but that was it.....

 

Lucky or a good setup?

 

 

[Contaminated Haggis]

Everyone punctures eventually, and it doesnt matter what tyres you have, if the rip is big enough you are walking home. I guess if my curiosity gets the better of me I will just have to splurge out and test tubeless for myself.

[TNOSE_E]

My only concern with tubless is running slightly softer, barreling down a hill at 70kmh and your tyre pops off...... It's constantly in the back of my mind.

 

With tubes I seem to feel safer for some reason. Not sure why cause you will meet the same fate if the front tyre fails.

TNOSE_E2008-09-18 02:37:46

[Willehond]

I run a standard Maxxis Crossmark tyre with Mavic SLR wheels.

 

In 4 years (Including various small races and an Epic) I have not had one puncture.

I did manage to rip the tubeless valve off once but that was it.....

 

Lucky or a good setup?

 

 

 

Thanks, that's the kind of feedback I want to hear!  I spoke to an old Epic dog/bike shop owner in CT who also said he has never had a puncture in ages on the same tyres (might have been UST though) and said that most guys who get tubeless punctures are ones who don't use enough sealant in the tyres.  He looked at me like I was nuts when I questioned the use of tubeless!

[scotty]

I see Stan-yes-tubes coming ..............

 

[Tumbleweed]

In the last 4 months I've had two tubless punctured. One was by a piece of steel that ripped the tyre. The other was a nail' date=' bold or something that made a hole that was too big to repair.

 

Tubless tyres are much more expensive than normal tyres!!!!

[/quote']

 

really? how big was the hole? i repaied a tyre that had a screw stuck in it with no problem.

[greatwhite]

But still no definitive answer, no substance, just: yes they are better from those that already have the latest bling. When I have killed my current tyres then I'll consider it in the mean time snot tubes and liners will suffice even though there is a clear weight penalty.

 

How much does it cost to do a convertion (incl the hidden costs) anyway?

[NotSoBigBen]

GreatEggWhite sir did you not take note of my earlier posting of this vital information, am I posting for nought ..........

 

Doesn't have to be that expensive to try it .......

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=24545

[TNOSE_E]

One defanate drawback with having to put your spare tube into a tubless..........

Unholly MESS and selective words come to mind.

 

Yes, does not happen often but you dont want it too......

[Dirtbreath]

As said elsewhere in this thread, the 2 main advantages of running tubeless are weight and lower running pressures.

 

1. Weight - the most noticable place for wight saving is at the outer radius of your wheel. You can spend thousands on titanium bolts and stuff without much difference but same the same weight on your wheels and you will feel the difference. It has to do with the rolling inertia of the wheel.

2. Running pressures - you can run a lower running pressure on a tubeless tyre without losing your tyre off the rim. I think it has to do with the fact that the pressure is directly on the tyre material itself whereas with tubes, the tube is presurised from within which then pushes against the tyre.

[ridr]

Don't think anyone's mentioned the benefit yet of being able to run MUCH lower pressures on tubeless setup.  I find my cornering is much better and riding through sandy sections is easier with lower pressure, and don't have to worry about tube snake-bites.