STRIKING KILLERS

[sias]

if the state employees don't like it, find something else, we have all been in jobs that were rotten, and the odds are we all thought bugger this and moved on.

The state is the only place where fatness, laziness, incompetence and a general **** you attitude is accepted and even the norm, and is rewarded...

[Delgado]

Delgado it's not like you to be nice - what's wrong mate?

Trying this whole new age Dale Carnegie stuff bro!! Is it working??

[joe moer]

Joe you sound like you have some cash to spare. But just in case you have not noticed there is no middle class left in South Africa, we all became poor when we were forced into subsidizing the poor to the extent that - well we are now seeking subsidy which is not forthcoming. So I 'll have to forego on that extra tax that you are suggesting because frankly I just can't afford it anymore.

 

hey

i also said more pay then more tax

[sias]

Yes joe moer - increase the tax base - not the load on your current base!!!

I received this the other day. I'm putting it on and will probably be branded as a racist (again), but here goes...

OK I have decided to put a South African spin to an old story so Blacks

can

understand what happens to taxes, tax cuts and what happens when Whites

leave.

 

Suppose there are ten men who go to dinner every night. Six of them are

Black, one Coloured, one Indian and two Whites. The one White guy is

middleclass and the other is rich. If they paid their bill the way we

pay

our taxes, it would go something like this:

 

The bill comes to R1000, but four Blacks pay nothing, they eat for free

every night. Two Blacks pay a share of R20 and R30 each. The Coloured

guy

pays R100, the Indian pays R150, the middle class White guy pays R200

and

the rich White guy pays R500.

Everything went well. The ten men ate happily every night until one day

the

restaurant owner said that they were such good customers he was going to

give them a break so he reduced the bill by R200. (In tax language a tax

cut).

So the first four Black guys were basically unaffected by this and still

ate

for free, but the six others started thinking about how they would split

the

R200 cut in the Bill so everyone would get his fair share.

R200 divided by six would mean R33.33 each. But if they subtracted that

from

everybody's share, then the two paying Blacks would end up being PAID to

eat

their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to

reduce each man's bill by roughly the same proportional amount, and he

proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

So the first paying Black guy that night only had to pay R16, the second

paying Black guy only paid R24, the coloured guy paid R80, the Indian

guy

R120, the middleclass White guy paid R160 and the rich White guy paid

R400

instead of his usual R500. Each of the original six paying ones were

better

off than before. The first four Black guys still got their meal for

free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

The

first paying black said he only got R4 from the R200. The second Black

guy

said he only saved R6. The Coloured and the Indian guys were a bit

grumpy

that they only got R20 and R30 off their usual bill, but otherwise they

were

happy that they paid less that night.

Wait a minute, yelled the first four Black men in unison, We didn't get

anything at all. The system exploits the poor!?

The Blacks looked at the middle class White guy who got R40 from the

R200

discount and the rich White guy who got a wopping R100 and they became

bitter about it. So the six Blacks surrounded the two White guys, beat

them

up and stole what they had on them.

The next night the men met again for dinner, but noticeably absent were

the

two White men who decided to go to another restaurant and not eat with

them

anymore. At first nobody missed the two White guys and they all sat down

and

ate without them, but then the bill came and to their horror they

discovered

that they were now R560 short of paying their bill. Imagine that!

 

And that, dear fellows, is how it works when you tax White people to

death,

beat them up and steal from them. They will just not show up at the

table

anymore and will just decide to go have dinner somewhere else, which

means

that you will be on your own and will have to pay all the bills yourself

and

there will be no more free lunches, you will catch rats and scratch in

dustbins just like in Zimbabwe after the Whites have left.

[The Saint]

Trying this whole new age Dale Carnegie stuff bro!! Is it working??

With only the utterance of words such as "scum" I would say they are doing a sterling job

[joe moer]

Yes joe moer - increase the tax base - not the load on your current base!!!

I received this the other day. I'm putting it on and will probably be branded as a racist (again), but here goes...

OK I have decided to put a South African spin to an old story so Blacks

can

understand what happens to taxes, tax cuts and what happens when Whites

leave.

 

Suppose there are ten men who go to dinner every night. Six of them are

Black, one Coloured, one Indian and two Whites. The one White guy is

middleclass and the other is rich. If they paid their bill the way we

pay

our taxes, it would go something like this:

 

 

the problem with your analogy is that the blacks make up 70% of population and only a nominal amount are middle to upper class the remaining 30% produce 90% of formal gdp

so if you can increase either informal gdp or the tax base then gdp grows as does the spend per capita which theoretically will produce wealth

the whole problem is that a model of economics whichpropogates this type of thinking does not ncare to rememdber that the 20% of the world's population consumes 80% of its resources.

this obviously inflates prices in a world where supply and demand are the controlling factors of price. this then puts basic resources out of the reach of yhe common man.... this may appear to be snot but one has only to look at the amount of money contributed as foreign aid- there is a shortfall betwwen what govts spend what is required to provide for the safety and security of the poor

more specifically how can we as humanity let people suffer....

but hey i'm a red ecomentalist with fascist inclinations

i'm also retired at 35

whats your story mate

The bill comes to R1000, but four Blacks pay nothing, they eat for free

every night. Two Blacks pay a share of R20 and R30 each. The Coloured

guy

pays R100, the Indian pays R150, the middle class White guy pays R200

and

the rich White guy pays R500.

Everything went well. The ten men ate happily every night until one day

the

restaurant owner said that they were such good customers he was going to

give them a break so he reduced the bill by R200. (In tax language a tax

cut).

So the first four Black guys were basically unaffected by this and still

ate

for free, but the six others started thinking about how they would split

the

R200 cut in the Bill so everyone would get his fair share.

R200 divided by six would mean R33.33 each. But if they subtracted that

from

everybody's share, then the two paying Blacks would end up being PAID to

eat

their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to

reduce each man's bill by roughly the same proportional amount, and he

proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

So the first paying Black guy that night only had to pay R16, the second

paying Black guy only paid R24, the coloured guy paid R80, the Indian

guy

R120, the middleclass White guy paid R160 and the rich White guy paid

R400

instead of his usual R500. Each of the original six paying ones were

better

off than before. The first four Black guys still got their meal for

free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

The

first paying black said he only got R4 from the R200. The second Black

guy

said he only saved R6. The Coloured and the Indian guys were a bit

grumpy

that they only got R20 and R30 off their usual bill, but otherwise they

were

happy that they paid less that night.

Wait a minute, yelled the first four Black men in unison, We didn't get

anything at all. The system exploits the poor!?

The Blacks looked at the middle class White guy who got R40 from the

R200

discount and the rich White guy who got a wopping R100 and they became

bitter about it. So the six Blacks surrounded the two White guys, beat

them

up and stole what they had on them.

The next night the men met again for dinner, but noticeably absent were

the

two White men who decided to go to another restaurant and not eat with

them

anymore. At first nobody missed the two White guys and they all sat down

and

ate without them, but then the bill came and to their horror they

discovered

that they were now R560 short of paying their bill. Imagine that!

 

And that, dear fellows, is how it works when you tax White people to

death,

beat them up and steal from them. They will just not show up at the

table

anymore and will just decide to go have dinner somewhere else, which

means

that you will be on your own and will have to pay all the bills yourself

and

there will be no more free lunches, you will catch rats and scratch in

dustbins just like in Zimbabwe after the Whites have left.

[joe moer]

The state is the only place where fatness, laziness, incompetence and a general **** you attitude is accepted and even the norm, and is rewarded...

 

 

heybroer

 

big business is just as fat and lazy plus they also overcharge... how much was your bike

the reality is that i wouldn't work to hard if i got paid a pittance...more likely to tell the boss to shove it, okay i've done that more than a few times

 

the exception may be teachers though cos ussually the okes who can't get jobs go teach

and the reason they didn't get serious jobs was their lack of education

ask any parent what a good education costs

 

pay the garbage collectors lots cos i don't like living in ***

 

say u agree

[joe moer]

Agreed!! The other problem with democracy in SA is that there is eff all accountability or responsibility to go with it!!

 

you would think we would learn and employ some sound judgement... no ways, and then we bitch and moan .

i have workred with govts and people from all over the world and on any given day in any given dept , in any goddamn country it all boils down to the person ur deal'n with 2:1 odds it goes bad...

then factor in murphy and we are screwed

[Paddaman]

After reading through all this rubbish, I have never read such selfcentred, insensistive drivel before. What is interesting is that everyone CONDEMNED the soldiers when they went on a small harmless demonstration in front of the Union buildings to highlight the fact that they were (and still are) the lowest paid state employees, dispite all the dangers they face that others do not. No-one was hurt in these domonstrations (except the soldiers when the police shot at them.)

 

THE result of that demonstrations was that soldiers salaries and beneifits have almost been brought on par with the rest of teh civil service.

 

THE irony is that the rest of the civil service is now striking for more (and people are getting hurt) and (the best part of it all) the very same soldiers (and SAMHS) staff that still are paid less have been called in to protect and stabilise the hospitals. (these are the same people that did it the last time the hospital staff went on strike, and they still have not received the promised overtime for that, the same people that bailed the SAPS out during the world cup, and who were paid almost half the allowances that their police counter parts were paid).

 

So it is now easy to predict that the SANDF unions may lose it again and ask politely that they get compensated for pulling the country out of the dwang again.

[firewolf]

This is the reality of action to achieve an end goal; it makes sense to some, while to others it is very threatening.