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cool beans, sunday it is.

how does that affect sunday?

I'm in for sunday

permission granted. Sunday 8 am it is. A sky blue Tiida, or just look for the mongoose with white wall tyres.

Giva, what is wrong with 8am tommorrow?

from all the posts the following is to be considered: When you ride in a club's colours you will be associated with both the best and the worst of the club. You will have to take responsibility to ensure that your attitude is aligned with that of the rules and regulations of the club. Furthermore, in order to protect your good name you will have to ensure that the rule and regulations of the club are respected by all club members. If you will not or cannot accept that then, you will have to find a cub that reflects your attitude within their rules, regulations and culture. You cannot escape the fact that you will be judged by your fellow club members behaviour. Secondly, South African roads are dangerous. Motorists disobey the rules and regulations, cyclists do likewise. As rational human beings road cycling is a irrational habit that we allow ourselves. We must never forget that we are busy with a potentially fatal activity, almost like playing with venomous snakes, and therefore we as cyclists should take all necessary measures to protect ourselves. The day that we stop cycling on roads will be the day that the SUV's and taxi's will start pushing the sedans off the road. As the most vulnerable road user, we must act with such an attitude. Visibility, confidence, and defensive attitude. (Ps motor vehicle drivers without their cars are pedestrians) Lastly, roadies should respect MTbkers, because one day you too will find the gravel shoulder and single track.

Buy a MTB bike and ride off road, then you can side step all these issues and avoid old ladies in cars as well.

Think Bike cares about road safety, road cyclists don't. Why should THINK BIKE, which has done amazing things for motorcycle road safety help people that refuse to help themselves? At THINK BIKE we did a run of stickers with both the bicycle and the motorcyclist on them, we handed them out to bike shops ext. I see some in PTA, but the cycling community, when it came to foot the bill for the next "run" of stickers, ran away. (We at TB have even designed a cycling shirt (mine was stolen this year)).When we approached the cycling community to come aboard at THINKBIKE over a year ago, we got a luke warm reception. The general feeling was more "What can the motorcyclist do for the "unspecified" cyclist club ride", than the expected "How can cyclists get on board to improve road safety". Shaun with his sign up initiative, is probably the only visible thing road cyclists have done for themselves. If we consider the "Safety tips" given and amount of time being spent on Supercycling about safety, we can see that there is no real urgency for the issue among the opinion makers within the cycling community. THe best THINKBIKE can do is open its membership to cyclists, and when there is a significant group of cyclists belonging to THINK BIKE, give that group the support it needs to push cycling saftey as an independent project. WAIT, that has been done, and to date there are only about 10 cyclists who have joined THINK BIKE. (most being motorcyclists as well)

Not an attack Spinnekop but only if you had that view when he was bust. But Im glad you see it the right way now. I don't want to drag this one up again but I think if you check back through the records you will find that Spinnekop did make a statement at the time condemming what his (our) team mate did and mentioned that he wouldn't be welcome back. Serveral other team members also made similar statements and you may have noticed that the person concerned has not come back to the club or team since his ban expired. Unfortunately, before the condemnation of said "team mate", there was the attempted cover-up, denial, and verbal abuse.

Not an attack Spinnekop but only if you had that view when he was bust. But Im glad you see it the right way now. Colonel, don't go there. After all I have no idea what really happened, and it has nothing to do with me. KonaFan2009-08-11 06:18:52

a HR monitor is a tool, just like a bike computer, a power meter ext. Performance of the tool is dependent on how you chose to you the tool. However, psychologically, there is a school of thought that says that in a race situation, an athlete may use the HR monitor to justify why he chose not to suffer, and thereby win. But for the majority of the rank and file, the stakes are not so high, and winning is only for the one guy up the road, a HR monitor can help for enabling pacing and getting " a better time".

and then once you have decided that ST/DS is the way, you have to decide on what linkage system, how much travel, how hard to pump the shock, ext ext ext.

either that or they may have to consult with ladies and bicycle thread for the correct attire for folicule removal.

noobi, with 4 posts, can I ask you a personal question: Are you going to be working there? Maybe was the leg waxer?

Thanx Backlash. I am planning to discuss with Retief as well. But before I go to the trouble of making such a proposal, I am interested in what support there is for such a format. THe present "league" format is not as structured as this proposal. This proposal will require the buy in of riders, clubs and organisers up front for the entire season of racing. TYhis idea requires a seperate starting group determined by team participation and members hip, and not only "club" affiliation.

You can stop now mate, this is a thread that is specifically for us old guys who want to waste our time on old stuff. The new stuff thread is somewhere else. okok. I will run off and pretend to do a bit of work for a change. But before I do, Spud, consider this: I take note that you crossed out my yellow/ brown ref to Conti in the tour, and changed it by saying he still would have one. All very nice. BUT, let the record reflect that you did not cross out my rather crude reference to "old pieces of sh*te". What this tells me is that subliminally, you really agree that these old bikes are just old pieces of sh*te even though you don't know that you agree. Now don't try and deny it cos I really understand psychology. You see, once I registered at Unisa for Psyche 101, and I read a few pages of the study guide (before dropping out of varsity), so as you can appreciate, I know my stuff. PFFFT I understand you better than you know........you see I just happen to be a gynae........ Conti would have won, but LA "its not about the bike", now that is another story.

After suggesting the idea of a team league on another thread, I want to get opinions, inputs and possible indication of support for this format in Gauteng North. Basic frame work: A starting group is created between the licenced and "A Bunch". In order to ride in this group a team of four to six riders must be entered as a team. (team kit applies) Only riders registered as teams are allowed in the group. The race is for points/ combined times (team competition) and podium places (individual). possible further (if clubs/ organisers buy in) development may include, keeping tabs of placings ext across a number of race in the season (league standings). Allocation of a league jersey to the rider with the lowest combined times accross identified races (GC) and a green jersey to the points winner. Possible a kitty (or my Rhodesian Ridgeback) as a prize for the winning team. If the idea of a league is agreed, then teams will have to declare their 6-8 riders (ie six up and two substitutes) which will race as a team for the entire season. (the season being 6- 8 local races). The advantages of this format for organisers are many, one of which will be garanteed entries for races that are agreed upon as league races. Just a thought..........

black is a tyre too, but then I have the zeff-ist white wall tyres on my MTB.

because the clubs made it up. They've got 200 members but none of them are good enough for elite/vets so they have to be put somewhere. Maybe some of them simply take their riding seriously but also have normal jobs' date=' families etc which don't allow them to do the same training per day as an elite would. [/quote'] serious? From complaining about race jumpers to the need to cycling to be accepted as a team sport. This thread is going somewhere. Maybe the provinces and CSA need to consider introducing a "cyclo-sport" team league, instead of a A and B bunch. Start with team entries rather than individual entries. You cannot enter the A bunch unless you are in a team of between 4-8 riders. Team members must ride in the same kit. The advantages of this are great. Firstly, "drop outs" from the bunch will be reduced. Secondly clubs/teams will have control over who rides in the A and B bunch (instead of a covertly determined seeding). Thirdly, peer pressure will keep riders involved throughout the year. ext ext ext ext

Yes' date=' they are fun riders but if they suddenly start getting times of the not-so-funriders because they enter long and do short and then get seeded with the not-so-funriders? Then some A bunch riders gets dropped down to B bunch because of that? If I was the riders getting seeded down because of those "funriders" I would not be the happiest guy around. And A and B bunches are not "funriders", they are there to race. There needs to be a greater separation between the two distances.[/quote'] there is only one place to race for, that is first place. If you are not racing either to come first or to get one of your team mates first, then you are not actually racing. Racing is an attitude, that demands total commitment in training, total attention to detail in race preparation and total sacrifice in competition. (I can develop this further, but that would take alot of philosphy and psychology to explain). Short of this you are a fun rider, in fact we all should be fun riders, there is something admireable in doing things for fun. There is something honourable in accepting that life is not as simple as "Winners" make it. Life is complex, accounts must be paid, wives and children supported and money earnt. The important thing is to realise that before you get too serious (and dope, ext) that it may not be worth it all in the end. Sacrificing a balanced and complete life, just to say you are an A bunch rider? Even worse, is to trick yourself and others into believing you are better than you really are by cheating or by "Dropping distances" at the races, or even start as a licenced rider knowing that you will be dropped in the first 10km, just so you can start and finish earlier. All these efforts are only fooling yourself, and you still have to live with yourself in the end.

Here I agree with Bos. A race is between the riders in a starting group. So if you start in A bunch you can only compare yourself to the other riders in that bunch. Trying to compare results across seeding groups is like comparing apples with oranges (only neotel does that) Also in all fairness if you are riding licenced you should be in a team. So if you start the long distance you should not fall back to do the short distance, but rather DNF by cycling the shortest route back to your car or beer tent. It is good manners to get off the route as fast as possible.