Coffee machine

[HappyMartin]

 

 

I heard that the other day. They reckon most bad espresso can be fixed with milk. Except the rubbish I had down the South Coast.... I still lose sleep based on the fact that I paid for that rubbish and kept my mouth shut....

 

Hmmm. South Coast coffee. Legendary. Just knowing its there is reason enough to buy an Aeropress for travel purposes.

[flymango]

Got an early Christmas present to me from me earlier this week - Nespresso citiz & milk. Heck, I feel like George Clooney already!!

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Got an early Christmas present to me from me earlier this week - Nespresso citiz & milk. Heck, I feel like George Clooney already!!

 

- Now rush off to the waterfront shop (or you can buy on line for december and you get free delivery) and try the coconut flavor, then buy 20 packs cos when its finished its finished and you dont want to be out over Christmas.!

[GBguy]

A thing of beauty, Escapee. I've been thinking of posting a video of a ristretto coming out of my naked portafilter, but I'm afraid the mods would ban me (for pornography or drug peddling, take your pick) and Nespresso would send a hit man to turn me into a flat white.

[Porra 1]

To have a real espresso you have to have the right beans. In most coffee shops they use the same beans for coffee and espresso which I incorrect. The second step is to have the correct coffee machine that gives you the correct water temperature and the correct pressure and most machines don't do either. A coffee machine that makes coffe and espresso are very expensive and are normality found in good coffee shops they have two separate water tanks and two separate boilers for the different coffees ,espresso or coffee. But then us continentals like to have our espresso strong with a glass of water and only after a ride other wise you will fall of the bike in the first kilometer.

[GBguy]

To have a real espresso you have to have the right beans. In most coffee shops they use the same beans for coffee and espresso which I incorrect. The second step is to have the correct coffee machine that gives you the correct water temperature and the correct pressure and most machines don't do either. A coffee machine that makes coffe and espresso are very expensive and are normality found in good coffee shops they have two separate water tanks and two separate boilers for the different coffees ,espresso or coffee. But then us continentals like to have our espresso strong with a glass of water and only after a ride other wise you will fall of the bike in the first kilometer.

That would explain it - I thought it was the wind

Edited December 11, 2012 by GBguy

[DaLoCo]

That would explain it - I thought it was the wind

Cheap coffee give me wind too

[Weight Weenie]

To have a real espresso you have to have the right beans. In most coffee shops they use the same beans for coffee and espresso which I incorrect. The second step is to have the correct coffee machine that gives you the correct water temperature and the correct pressure and most machines don't do either. A coffee machine that makes coffe and espresso are very expensive and are normality found in good coffee shops they have two separate water tanks and two separate boilers for the different coffees ,espresso or coffee. But then us continentals like to have our espresso strong with a glass of water and only after a ride other wise you will fall of the bike in the first kilometer.

 

Sounds about right!

[V12man]

Sounds about right!

 

Not exactly - let me show you why.

 

"To have a real espresso you have to have the right beans. In most coffee shops they use the same beans for coffee and espresso which I incorrect."

 

Unless the coffee shop offers multiple coffee cultivars or blends, or decaf, the difference between various ways of making coffee is in the grind - with espresso being generally a finer grind than brew or drip styles.

 

"The second step is to have the correct coffee machine that gives you the correct water temperature and the correct pressure and most machines don't do either."

 

Mostly they do the correct pressure and temp when properly used - a barista should know how to set his machine up properly for the specific coffee being used - this in not a machine capability issue at all in commercial machines (but is an issue in low end home use machines)

 

"A coffee machine that makes coffe and espresso are very expensive and are normality found in good coffee shops they have two separate water tanks and two separate boilers for the different coffees ,espresso or coffee. "

 

Commercial espresso machines are expensive (sub 50k gererally) , but they only do espresso - the brew style machines are separate machines - I have NEVER seen a commercial machine that does both brew and espresso.

 

Further to that - commercial espresso machines do not have water tanks at all - they are plumbed to the mains directly with no water tank at all. Brew machines do have small tanks sometimes, but the really good ones are also mains plumbed.

 

Commercial espresso machines come in 2 basic variants (Dual boiler or Heat exchanger machines) Machines with 2 boilers (dual boilers) use 1 boiler for steam production, and the other boiler for the brew water for the espresso - the other syle of single boiler (hx) machines use the boiler for steam, and brew water is drawn through a heat exchanger pipe that runs through the boiler. The current world barista champs machine is a single boiler heat exchanger machine - and a great machine.

 

 

"But then us continentals like to have our espresso strong with a glass of water and only after a ride other wise you will fall of the bike in the first kilometer."

 

Espresso has a fairly well defined extraction ratio, so it is neither strong nor weak (just tastes different depending on coffee roast used and barista technique) - People often refer to dark roasted coffee as strong, and light roasted coffee as weak - but that is not particularly accurate, although it's an esoteric argument, and not really worthy of a debate.

 

If you fall off the bike after more than 1 espresso, then you just don't drink enough espresso, and you need to work on your handling skills, and apply rule 5.

[GBguy]

V12man - I was dithering over whether to stick my head over the ramparts on this, so you saved me the trouble

 

Like you, I suspect that Porra means drip-filtered coffee when he says "coffee" (as opposed to "espresso"). Of course, espresso is coffee. Espresso is not only a short strong drink in its own right, it's also the basis for cappuccino, latte, americano and all the other espresso-based drinks.

 

By definition, espresso is made by mechanically forcing hot (but not boiling) water through ground coffee. Almost all the other methods (drip-filter, plunger pot, moca) expose the coffee to boiling water or steam, which result in different flavour profiles (aeropress is the exception).

 

Also, jokes aside, there's a pretty solid body of evidence supporting the use of coffee before endurance exercise - see for example http://thefitnesschronicle.com/drinking-coffee-before-a-workout-one-of-the-best-pre-workout-drinks/ - and also for the performance-enhancing value of caffeine. I noticed there was a fair queue at the espresso caravan at the start of the Burger in Stellenbosch...

 

BTW, there's less caffeine in a double espresso than in a teacup-sized serving of filter coffee, so that won't make you fall off the bike - although an undiluted espresso on an empty stomach may cause heartburn, reflux or nausea, which is why it is correctly served with a glass of water. And any coffee can have you heading for the nearest bushes.

[HappyMartin]

I read a very humorous review of a pod machine yesterday.

 

The reviewer stated " at the touch of a button the machine dispensed a very disappointing cup of coffee

[Wyatt Earp]

I read a very humorous review of a pod machine yesterday.

 

The reviewer stated " at the touch of a button the machine dispensed a very disappointing cup of coffee

 

It will be if the machine has not been switched on or he failed to insert a pod.

[HappyMartin]

 

 

It will be if the machine has not been switched on or he failed to insert a pod.

 

Don't agree. I have a machine that fits this description perfectly. Pod inserted, switched on, button pressed, disappointing cup of coffee dispensed. At least it is consistent I suppose

[HappyMartin]

 

 

It will be if the machine has not been switched on or he failed to insert a pod.

 

It's not a Nespresso I must add before the local fan club attacks me. There are a number of pod machines around. They are not all equal.

[Weight Weenie]

Not exactly - let me show you why.

 

"To have a real espresso you have to have the right beans. In most coffee shops they use the same beans for coffee and espresso which I incorrect."

 

Unless the coffee shop offers multiple coffee cultivars or blends, or decaf, the difference between various ways of making coffee is in the grind - with espresso being generally a finer grind than brew or drip styles.

 

"The second step is to have the correct coffee machine that gives you the correct water temperature and the correct pressure and most machines don't do either."

 

Mostly they do the correct pressure and temp when properly used - a barista should know how to set his machine up properly for the specific coffee being used - this in not a machine capability issue at all in commercial machines (but is an issue in low end home use machines)

 

"A coffee machine that makes coffe and espresso are very expensive and are normality found in good coffee shops they have two separate water tanks and two separate boilers for the different coffees ,espresso or coffee. "

 

Commercial espresso machines are expensive (sub 50k gererally) , but they only do espresso - the brew style machines are separate machines - I have NEVER seen a commercial machine that does both brew and espresso.

 

Further to that - commercial espresso machines do not have water tanks at all - they are plumbed to the mains directly with no water tank at all. Brew machines do have small tanks sometimes, but the really good ones are also mains plumbed.

 

Commercial espresso machines come in 2 basic variants (Dual boiler or Heat exchanger machines) Machines with 2 boilers (dual boilers) use 1 boiler for steam production, and the other boiler for the brew water for the espresso - the other syle of single boiler (hx) machines use the boiler for steam, and brew water is drawn through a heat exchanger pipe that runs through the boiler. The current world barista champs machine is a single boiler heat exchanger machine - and a great machine.

 

 

"But then us continentals like to have our espresso strong with a glass of water and only after a ride other wise you will fall of the bike in the first kilometer."

 

Espresso has a fairly well defined extraction ratio, so it is neither strong nor weak (just tastes different depending on coffee roast used and barista technique) - People often refer to dark roasted coffee as strong, and light roasted coffee as weak - but that is not particularly accurate, although it's an esoteric argument, and not really worthy of a debate.

 

If you fall off the bike after more than 1 espresso, then you just don't drink enough espresso, and you need to work on your handling skills, and apply rule 5.

 

Was referring to the falling off the bike part, but you have the rest waxed as well.

[TiBones]

 

Aeropress ya beaut