Lance Armstrong Banned and Stripped of TDF Titles

[Garfield2010]

Jawell this bullcrap argument of "everyone doped" also holds only limited water. Lance took it to a new level. He perfected it almost... and when he did test positive he used his influence to make it go away.

 

And yet he lied on TV without blinking hundreds of times......

 

Seriously, has he done more good than harm to the sport? Sure he survived cancer and all that.... does that however make him immune to what he has done wrong?

 

Honestly he has contributed immensely to ensure the sport is dirtier than ever....

 

Oh and if Tyler tells the truth then Lance is the kind person I would rather not meet.........

[LeTurbo]

Salmon? You a Bike Snob fan?

 

Is that where I picked it up? Dammit. I used to read him occasionally early on, until he became more of a social commentator than a cyclist and Oozlum-birdish.

 

Wiki: The oozlum bird, also spelled ouzelum, is a legendary creature found in Australian and British folk tales and legends. Some versions have it that, when startled, the bird will take off and fly around in ever-decreasing circles until it manages to fly up itself, disappearing completely, which adds to its rarity.^[1] Other sources state that the bird flies backwards so that it can admire its own beautiful tail feathers, or because while it does not know where it is going, it likes to know where it has been.^[2]

 

^{[2] As seen on the Hub.}

[Tumbleweed]

Is that where I picked it up? Dammit. I used to read him occasionally early on, until he became more of a social commentator than a cyclist and Oozlum-birdish.

 

Wiki: The oozlum bird, also spelled ouzelum, is a legendary creature found in Australian and British folk tales and legends. Some versions have it that, when startled, the bird will take off and fly around in ever-decreasing circles until it manages to fly up itself, disappearing completely, which adds to its rarity.^[1] Other sources state that the bird flies backwards so that it can admire its own beautiful tail feathers, or because while it does not know where it is going, it likes to know where it has been.^[2]

 

^{[2] As seen on the Hub.}

 

Bwahahahahaha!

 

We have many varieties of that bird here!

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

 

dude, do you work for Lances legal team? either that or you actually believe his defence...?

 

Read my post again. Never said I believe his defence. It's just that I don't necessarily believe the prosecution either. As I said, it'll be a long time before the actual FACTS come out. Do i admire his achievements, after the dramatic increase in the probability that he did dope deduced from stilted witness testimony? Hell yes. Do i believe that same "witnesses" had a lot more to lose had they not testified? Hell yes. And that, for me, is motive for a skewed testimony.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

 

cptmayhem - "IF he did dope"

 

Ag, piss off dude. All I did was voice my opinion. Yes, I am a fan of his achievements, dope or no dope. All I am saying is that there's an awful lot of bandwagonism on both sides of the fence. Until that is settled, and this matter of he said she said your mothers a filthy dirty ho so i needed to dope but you told me i had to to get big and strong and win and stuff goes away, I will continue to doubt the statements of those who have been included in the investigation. Especially considering that they have also not exactly been squeaky clean themselves.

 

What you clearly do not see though, is that i will also doubt the statements of LA and the whole PR machine behind him.

 

Does that detract from my admiration of his achievements though? No. Why? Because who was he up against? Confessed dopers, alledged dopers and all manner of logistical masterminds. Level playing field - maybe. But then again maybe not.

 

Bottom line - this still has a long way to go before it is finished, and the true version of the truth comes out.

 

So sue me. Because i have an opinion.

[Joe Low]

FYI there are many communist parties out there besides RSA

Don't generalise about something you obviously know nothing about

Ok, the generalisation was good enough for the analogy I was making.

 

You are right there are many communist parties. The ones that had the power & got beyond theory are thoroughly discredited - Russia, China & Yugolsavia.

 

Whether any of them followed the theory is doubtful re: the true intent of "Dictatorship of the proletariat"; or whether any of the societies were at a point of political consciousness where Marxist/socialism could realistically be implemented.

 

At the end of the day, it was just another vehicle for the power elite.

 

But you're probably right, I dont know much and always struggled a bit with the materialist dialectic. Hegel has a lot to answer for too.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

 

 

So basically you're happy to support a cheating liar, regardless of what happened? Wow.

 

No. Read my post again.

 

I'll spell it out for you.

 

Yeha, but the thing is I still support him.(full stop. end of sentence) Regardless of what happened (comma - the punctuation mark used in order to pause the reader, just before presentation of argument or fact or otherwise related point) the fact is that the whole peloton was and still is dirty.

 

There. I never said I supported him regardless of what had happened. I said I still supported him, and then started a new sentence.

 

If I had said "yeah, but the thing is I still support him regardless of what happened." Then by all means chastise me. Seeing as that is NOT what I said...

Edited October 17, 2012 by cptmayhem

[TNT1]

No. Read my post again.

 

I'll spell it out for you.

 

Yeha, but the thing is I still support him.(full stop. end of sentence) Regardless of what happened (comma - the punctuation mark used in order to pause the reader, just before presentation of argument or fact or otherwise related point) the fact is that the whole peloton was and still is dirty.

 

There. I never said I supported him regardless of what had happened

 

Surely that's not the only reason for a comma?

 

Oddly enough I supported him as well. I mean it's hub knowledge that my son carries his name, but his belligerence of late has made me sway back to the side of hating the ****.

Edited October 17, 2012 by TNT1

[gummibear]

So now Nike apparently paid bribes and have cut all deals with LA....can this get any more interesting

 

http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Cycling/Nike-cuts-ties-with-Armstrong-20121017

 

http://www.sportlive.co.za/moresport/cycling/2012/10/17/nike-deny-paying-to-cover-up-armstrong-s-positive-dope-test

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

 

 

Surely that's not the only reason for a comma?

 

Oddly enough I supported him as well. I mean it's hub knowledge that my son carries his name, but his belligerence of late has made me sway back to the side of hating the ****.

 

Lol. No, not the only reason to use a comma, but it was the reason for the comma's use in the sentence in question.

[Christie]

I disagree that the whole peleton was dirty. There were clean guys, but they were driven from the sport by the rest, some by Armstrong himself.

[Iwan Kemp]

Ag, piss off dude. All I did was voice my opinion. Yes, I am a fan of his achievements, dope or no dope. All I am saying is that there's an awful lot of bandwagonism on both sides of the fence. Until that is settled, and this matter of he said she said your mothers a filthy dirty ho so i needed to dope but you told me i had to to get big and strong and win and stuff goes away, I will continue to doubt the statements of those who have been included in the investigation. Especially considering that they have also not exactly been squeaky clean themselves.

 

What you clearly do not see though, is that i will also doubt the statements of LA and the whole PR machine behind him.

 

Does that detract from my admiration of his achievements though? No. Why? Because who was he up against? Confessed dopers, alledged dopers and all manner of logistical masterminds. Level playing field - maybe. But then again maybe not.

 

Bottom line - this still has a long way to go before it is finished, and the true version of the truth comes out.

 

So sue me. Because i have an opinion.

 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I disagree that the whole peleton was dirty. There were clean guys, but they were driven from the sport by the rest, some by Armstrong himself.

 

Yeah maybe, Christie, but I suppose we'll never know who those okes are now. Because no matter what happens, pro cyclists ( not just because of LA, an to believe otherwise is excessively naive) will be labelled as dopers until such time as proper oversight and control can be implemented. And even then, who is to say what i achievable naturally? Some eminently gifted athlete comes along and smokes everyone else. Never doped, but is just freakishly gifted. Will that "force" others to dope just to be able to keep up? Maybe. Wo knows.

 

Whatever happens, a mahooooosive overhaul is needed. And sharpish.

[mr_stig]

Not sure if doping authorities should be proud of their tenacity or ashamed of their incompetence in bringing him to book.

[TNT1]

Not sure if doping authorities should be proud of their tenacity or ashamed of their incompetence in bringing him to book.

 

Well, incompetence seems the wrong word. Corrupt at the time seems closer.

[Wayne Booysen]

LA being the most tested athlete...i would suggest incompetence!