LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[An3]

Ok dudes, here's a curveball! I have been doing LCHF for a while (weight has stabilised, no further losses)... but, I'm planning on falling pregnant ... thoughts on LCHF during this time. I have emailed Prof Noakes - hoping to hear from him!

 

 

look here:

 

http://www.dietdoctor.com/klara-celebrates-her-first-birthday

[htone]

Just on a previous comment re Ketosis during labour - here's the study that actually found that intervening with drips, etc. during childbirth when the mother is in ketosis, could actually have detrimental effects on the baby. Perhaps this again proves that where man interferes with natural processes we tend to botch things up....

 

Interventions for ketosis during labour

 

Toohill J, Soong B, Flenady V

Published Online:

February 15, 2012

Physical stress compounded by reduced food intake during labour can lead to raised levels of ketones in the blood and urine (ketosis). Ketone bodies transport fat-derived energy from the liver to other organs to provide an alternative source of energy. They also cross the placenta and the effect of ketosis on mother and baby is not clear. It is not clear whether ketosis during labour is a normal physiological response, or if women with ketosis in labour require intervention (such as intravenous and oral fluids). This uncertainty has resulted in differences in opinion and practice. Adverse effects of ketosis for the mother include increased likelihood of augmentation of labour, forceps-assisted delivery and postpartum blood loss.

Yet intravenous therapies can have adverse effects, either by interfering with glucose and insulin levels for the mother and infant (causing neonatal hypoglycaemia) or lowering sodium level, for example. Other reported adverse effects include headache, nausea, maternal fluid overload, slowing of labour and difficulty in establishment of breastfeeding, as well as local pain and discomfort and interference with the woman's freedom of movement in labour. The newborn may have acidic blood and increased lactate levels.

This review found no information on which to base practice in the treatment of women with ketosis during labour. The authors looked for studies comparing oral intake or intravenous fluids with no intervention (defined as no oral intake, ice chips only or oral intake on demand) and pregnancy outcomes.

The only six studies identified focussed on maternal biochemical measures during or shortly after labour and could not be included in the review. The studies were conducted in the late 1970s to mid-1980s. Future trials should examine the use of different types of intravenous and oral fluids on clinically important outcomes and include women's perception and satisfaction with care during labour and birth.

- See more at: http://summaries.coc...s-during-labour

Edited June 18, 2013 by htone

[TLW]

Hallo, 2 things :

** I am missing fruit - I feel desperate...??

** here's a quick recipe for a DIVINE quiche (ok the fancy word is apparently fritatta) (you can basically chuck anything in, but this is what I used last night - peppadews, depipped olives etc would be divine) :

 

- 1 large onion, diced and sauteed in coconut oil

- added one diced greenpepper, fry for a minute or 2

- add diced bacon and fry for a minute or 2

- add 1-2 teaspoons of garlic (according to taste)

- add punnet of mushrooms, a whole lot of sliced baby marrow, lots of cabbage

- fry all for a few seconds

- add salt, pepper, paprika or cayenne pepper to tase

- Arrange in a pie dish (large, flatish dish)

 

- beat 10 eggs and LOTS of feta.

- pour over veggies

- bake at 180 for about 40 minutes

 

- serve with green salad

 

YUMMY

bake at

[HDW]

What do you guys make of this?

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/classifieds/52766-nuun-tour-de-france-competition-bicycling-magazine/

[HappyMartin]

Reading Prof Noakes book he says that as you exercise and lose liquids the levels of electrolytes goes up in your blood. You get more salts and minerals in your diet than you need so no need to supplement. The basic argument against salt tablets would hold for this I would think.

 

Anyway that is my gut feel. Perhaps someone better informed and educated will have a more valid view. I would be open to considering it.

[HDW]

Reading Prof Noakes book he says that as you exercise and lose liquids the levels of electrolytes goes up in your blood. You get more salts and minerals in your diet than you need so no need to supplement. The basic argument against salt tablets would hold for this I would think.

 

Anyway that is my gut feel. Perhaps someone better informed and educated will have a more valid view. I would be open to considering it.

Interesting. Thanks!

[Cuppa Bru]

Reading Prof Noakes book he says that as you exercise and lose liquids the levels of electrolytes goes up in your blood. You get more salts and minerals in your diet than you need so no need to supplement. The basic argument against salt tablets would hold for this I would think.

 

Anyway that is my gut feel. Perhaps someone better informed and educated will have a more valid view. I would be open to considering it.

 

The concentration of electrolytes in the bloodstream goes up during exercise as sweat is supposedly hypotonic, but the total amount of electrolytes goes down, thus one needs to eat again post-exercise to replenish those as one rehydrates.

 

But I have no clue about the timing differences of electrolyte replenishment vs rehydration.

[vayamo]

Blog post by a convert to LCHF eating, she gives a very good summary of what it's all about.

http://di-smith.blogspot.com/2013/06/lchf-low-carb-high-fat.html?spref=tw

[nochain]

Ay chance that riding carb free can effect your immune system?

Have been sick twice now in 3 weeks and it's not normal for me to get sick like this..

Have been doing some very long and hard rides without carbs this last month...is it possible that it is to much?

Did 330km on the Mtb in 4 days without carbs basically and the last ride on Monday was hard pace for about 105km without eating breakfast or having any carbs on the bike.Tuesday I got bronchitis...

 

[HappyMartin]

I don't believe you can lay the blame at low carb. Hard sessions do compromise your immune system no matter what diet you are on. It could be you are missing some essential nutrients and that is causing the problem. Perhaps with the way you have implemented the diet you are missing something.

 

We are all different, with me the effect you describe usually comes from protein deficiency. I supplement with L Glutamine in the morning and use a recovery drink straight off the bike.

 

Much has been said on the myth of the recovery window but I follow the philosophy that the sooner I supply my body the means to begin recovery the better and the sooner I can ride again.

 

Of course it could simply be that you have been exposed to a tough little virus and it has nothing to do with diet or training. I doubt it though.

[davetapson]

Ay chance that riding carb free can effect your immune system?

Have been sick twice now in 3 weeks and it's not normal for me to get sick like this..

Have been doing some very long and hard rides without carbs this last month...is it possible that it is to much?

Did 330km on the Mtb in 4 days without carbs basically and the last ride on Monday was hard pace for about 105km without eating breakfast or having any carbs on the bike.Tuesday I got bronchitis...

 

Sounds like enough to weaken your immune system with or without carbs? Plus there are plenty viruses going around at the mo' - if you're going to get sick, this is when it is going to happen...

 

My 2c.

[davetapson]

Blog post by a convert to LCHF eating, she gives a very good summary of what it's all about.

http://di-smith.blog...t.html?spref=tw

 

Nice post.

 

Has an excellent link too: The new nutritional consensus: Key opinion leaders <- Francois, can you include this link in the first post please?

[tombeej]

Nice post.

 

Has an excellent link too: The new nutritional consensus: Key opinion leaders <- Francois, can you include this link in the first post please?

 

"Thomas Midgley was an American chemist who invented both leaded petrol and CFCs.

 

"Though lauded during his time, he has come to be known as having 'had more impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth history' and 'the one human responsible for more deaths than any other in history' due to his inventions.

 

"He eventually contracted Polio and lead poisoning and was left disabled in his bed. This caused him to create an elaborate system of pulleys and ropes in order to lift himself from bed. He died at the age of 55 after being strangled by one of his pulleys and is notable for the fact that both his inventions, leaded petrol and his pulley operated bed, contributed to his death."

 

That's pretty hard to beat. But I'm interested to hear if folks think we should be pencilling in the name 'Ancel Keys' next to the unfortunate Mr. Midgley on the very select list of individuals who have unwittingly caused such global damage by their actions...?

 

 

Ancel Keys (1904 – 2004)

 

"Originated the theory that dietary fat causes heart disease. Swayed entire nations with his theories. The popular rhetoric is that he handpicked a few countries to make his case that consumption of fat was strongly correlated with heart disease, and that his theories took the world by storm. Denise Minger demolished that story, though. However, what is true is that he is “the founding father” of the fat-is-evil theory. We all love to hate him."

[tombeej]

I've posted this link before, but worth posting again for those who might have missed it:

 

Mark Sisson ripping to what he terms "the Ancel Keys debacle".

 

As they say in the classics, "follow the evidence"...

[tombeej]

... well before we all decide to exhume his body so we have the opportunity to lynch his mortal remains, here's a more balanced view of the role our beloved Mr. Keys played in the 'science' of dietary fat...

[Guest Smimby]

Should it not be low carb high PROTEIN not fat?