LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[davetapson]

I thought I'd share my experience, and possibly mistake from Saturday morning.

 

Hard to say, but I suspect that maybe you are just going out a bit hard a bit early into your adaption. I think that if you give it time, it will stabilise and you will become bullet-proof energy wise. I had some miserable rides during my adaptation time.

 

Maybe for long rides make sure to supplement with a bit of energy just so that they are not too miserable. I'd not take a recovery feed after them to force the adaption to happen a bit quicker. But that's what I'd do, not a blanket recommendation.

[SimpleDom]

I would say you're eating too much. My guess is that the second wind comes from the banana and 32GI. Your body has enough fat to fuel you for plenty kms so you don't need to keep eating, especially protein.

Ok, including the fatshake? Or do you mean post fat shake I shouldn't need to eat any more on the ride? I'm trying to limit any further weight loss.... I've lost 20kg (now 90kg at 1.98m tall) already.

[davetapson]

Ok how low carb is Castle Light anyway. The bottle lable reads almost no carbs per bottle. Alchol is no good I know but I am no robot. These days even 3 gives me a buzz so no need to overdo it.

I'm not sure the carb value is the whole story with beer (or booze in general). Yep, for sure drinking Castle light will give you less carbs than full fat beer (and less taste, but that's my opinion ) but it still has 5% or so alcohol. The alcohol breaks down to provide energy as well - can't quite remember the process, but essentially energy is released.

 

I normally drink red wine most evenings ('cos Dale says I must ) and leave beer for Friday nights or the odd social occasion. I wouldn't say I don't miss it, but I don't miss it quite as much as I thought I would!

Edited July 29, 2014 by davetapson

[jcza]

Ok, including the fatshake? Or do you mean post fat shake I shouldn't need to eat any more on the ride? I'm trying to limit any further weight loss.... I've lost 20kg (now 90kg at 1.98m tall) already.

Fatshake is fine but I don't think you need to eat so much on the ride. Bear in mind that the higher the nutritional content the longer it will take to digest and if you keep eating you will start feeling bleak. To limit weight loss make sure you eat after the ride.

[Tracey8670]

Hi there,

 

I thought I'd share my experience, and possibly mistake from Saturday morning. We planned for a 100km ride over breedts.... I was really excited. I'm about 2 weeks in to very strict low carb, and high fat. On Saturday morning, I had a fat shake from breakfast, and nothing else. I packed some emergency food (Droewors, salami sticks, bananas, macadamias, dried cranberries, even a bottle of 32GI).

 

Oh boy. At 45km I had a wave of nausea and dizziness and the feeling of impending bad stomach. I had to stop and get off the bike. I hadn't felt different before then, and had been mainly drinking water, with a few sticks of Salami until then.

 

I ate the banana which made me feel better, and then we continued cycling. Afterwards, I started to take sips of 32GI because I was feeling very flat. I'm pretty sure this was a little bit of bonk surfing..

 

Anyway, turns out I forgot to add salt to the fat shake. Could this have had a negative impact?

 

I seemed to get a big second wind after about 70km, and finished strongly.

 

Maybe too much fat for me in the morning so early on?

 

Either way, I have persevered and am riding daily on water only. Not really feeling any reduction in power for now, and in fact beating many of my previous bests for training rides. I think I'll still keep taking carbs on the bike for big rides and races, but I suppose how much I actually eat is to be seen.

 

I would agree that you are rpobably too early into the adaption. Remember, your body is going to feel CRAP for a bit (at least, I did) and it may take a while to get through that initial phase of fat adaption. I am coming out of it now and feel like a different person. Maybe you should cut back for a bit because the banana and 32GI etc are pure carbs... taking you back to where you dont want to be.

[DieVlieg]

Hi there,

 

I thought I'd share my experience, and possibly mistake from Saturday morning. We planned for a 100km ride over breedts....

 

Hi I have attempted almost the same except I did not take on breeds, although, my elevation was not that bad either and I did 109km this past Saturday. I can not really say how long I have been on LCHF and how good I am adapted as most of the principles in this diet use to be part of my longstanding diet but I would abandon it on and off for periods of time. That said I think I only really started concentrating on reaching full on adaptation two weeks ago. Like you I had more or less the same diet. I had the Bullet Proof Coffee, Landjagers (cheaper than salami), self crushed almonds, mixed dried berries and kaiings. I felt like a champion all the way. The night before I had three beers and 1 glass of whine and a rehidrate just before bed and a rehidrate when I woke up. If the rehidrate helped me ???

 

Then this morning I did 47km only with BPC without food just water. My morning rides are faster and usualy range between 24 and 25km/h. I managed more or less the same but felt a little flat at the end and when I analised my segments they were very poor to previous rides in the past weeks closer to the end. This time no beer and no rehidrate and no food. I think the biggest factor whas thad I started with a high pace and even broke a personal best and then really never recovered. Also my leags were not recovered from the Saturday ride I think as mainly that is where I fealt let down on this mornings ride.

 

I think experiment more and even after bad results try again after a while.

[SimpleDom]

Man, bread is like heroine!

 

I ordered a cheese omelette for lunch, asked for now break. They deliver it with 2 slices of delicious buttermilk rye! It took everything I had not to eat them.

Edited July 31, 2014 by DomP

[davetapson]

Man, break is like heroine!

 

I ordered a cheese omelette for lunch, asked for now break. They deliver it with 2 slices of delicious buttermilk rye! It took everything I had not to eat them.

 

Yeh - it's amazing. Noakes early on said that he thought that carbs may be addictive. I remember thinking "Prof, I have a huge amount of respect for you, but you're reaching a bit on this one..."

 

But... just like you say - to turn down a slice of toast is way harder than you'd ever imagine it should be. He might just be right...

[Vetseun]

 

 

Yeh - it's amazing. Noakes early on said that he thought that carbs may be addictive. I remember thinking "Prof, I have a huge amount of respect for you, but you're reaching a bit on this one..."

 

But... just like you say - to turn down a slice of toast is way harder than you'd ever imagine it should be. He might just be right...

Agreed

[DieVlieg]

Look bread on it's own is nothing. But do not ask me to braai a "braai broodjie" and expect me to watch. Even if it was as bad as heroin I'd still eat it. From time to time one just has to say f^^kit and just enjoy it. But do that once a month.

 

Now the way I use to roll was to braai a half loaf every Wednesday for me and the wife and take leftovers to work. I could also do with three cony rolls twice a week and eat them on the way to work. Now the only bread I do is my once a month "braai broodjie" and the odd tortilla. I will soon make the low carb tortilla myself but I TRY to buy them if available. They do make nice taco's if hanged over the oven rack for 5 mins on 120C.

[Tracey8670]

Guys, help me here. I have been on LCHF for the last year. I have lost ZERO weight, although I feel good health-wise (ie no IBS etc). I want to lose some weight as I want to do some cyling and running races again this year.

 

Current BMI is 20.4, but I know that I can safely go to 19 or even 18.5 which would mean I need to lose about 2kg. I have done VERY little training for more than a year now as I had to have a foot op and am only now getting back into the swing of things.

 

I have been incredibly strict with my eating though and would have thought this would get me to where I want to be. A tad disappointed I must say.

 

Please make my day :-)

[jcza]

Guys, help me here. I have been on LCHF for the last year. I have lost ZERO weight, although I feel good health-wise (ie no IBS etc). I want to lose some weight as I want to do some cyling and running races again this year.

 

Current BMI is 20.4, but I know that I can safely go to 19 or even 18.5 which would mean I need to lose about 2kg. I have done VERY little training for more than a year now as I had to have a foot op and am only now getting back into the swing of things.

 

I have been incredibly strict with my eating though and would have thought this would get me to where I want to be. A tad disappointed I must say.

 

Please make my day :-)

I would have a guess and say you're eating too much protein and not enough fat.

[Grondpad]

Guys, help me here. I have been on LCHF for the last year. I have lost ZERO weight, although I feel good health-wise (ie no IBS etc). I want to lose some weight as I want to do some cyling and running races again this year.

 

Current BMI is 20.4, but I know that I can safely go to 19 or even 18.5 which would mean I need to lose about 2kg. I have done VERY little training for more than a year now as I had to have a foot op and am only now getting back into the swing of things.

 

I have been incredibly strict with my eating though and would have thought this would get me to where I want to be. A tad disappointed I must say.

 

Please make my day :-)

 

Tracey, don’t be so hard on yourself! Just by sticking to the LCHF is a huge task in itself (well for the first couple of months at least. From there on it’s a much better way of living).

I am no expert but I think that as soon as you start training again, the weight will simple melt away. Just be sure to eat more fat and train at lower than 70/75% o max HR.

 

 

PS. forget about BMI. its nonsense

[tombeej]

When I'm training I find it easier to lose weight. When I'm not training I simply can't lose weight - no matter how strict I go.

 

I know that this goes against the dogma of LCHF, which says it's all about your diet and that exercise is incidental. But it's a very simple equation for me: to lose weight, I must train.

 

Edit: Tracey, so what I mean in a roundabout way is if your diet is sorted, if you are like me, once you start building up your training again you should start to see results.

Edited August 1, 2014 by tombeej

[jcza]

When I'm training I find it easier to lose weight. When I'm not training I simply can't lose weight - no matter how strict I go.

 

I know that this goes against the dogma of LCHF, which says it's all about your diet and that exercise is incidental. But it's a very simple equation for me: to lose weight, I must train.

 

Edit: Tracey, so what I mean in a roundabout way is if your diet is sorted, if you are like me, once you start building up your training again you should start to see results.

This is true but it also means that one should eat less if not training (and thats not always easy)

[DaleE]

I would have a guess and say you're eating too much protein and not enough fat.

 

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