LCHF - Low Carb High Fat Diet Ver 2

[HappyMartin]

Yep we all find our own way. I am about 1 third carbs, 1 third fats and 1 third protein. Would never have considered this if not for the LCHF diet.

[Wet Ears]

WHAT !! ?

Isn't ketones supposed to be the ultimate fuel ? Ketogenic supposed to be the ultimate metabolic state ?

 

Welcome back from the walking dead !

 

Ps. Another tip, dump the nuts and replace with more sugar or carbs. You want as little as possible PUFA's in your diet. And if you really want to get to the next level, PM me and I'll give you some reading that will blow your mind !

 

(oh, and the other LC sect disciples, don't bother trying to rip my head off ( I'll check in again next week to see how much are still living), one day you will thank me and say I was right all along. )

 

Topwine - I would always read your contrarian views with interest just to ensure I wasn't being consumed by the whole LCHF thing and was missing the wood for the trees.

 

That said after your latest post I would now have to concur with 95% of the other people on this thread - you are acting like a knob.

 

Do us all a favour and don't check in again.

 

Thanks

Edited September 12, 2013 by Wet Ears

[Sniffie]

WHAT !! ?

 

(oh, and the other LC sect disciples, don't bother trying to rip my head off ( I'll check in again next week to see how much are still living), one day you will thank me and say I was right all along. )

Please grow up and act your age at least. Comments like this are totally uncalled for. We are all here to learn from each other.

 

Admin some action please!

[Slowbee]

Cut out the personal insults, they are against the rules. Regards this as a one time warning only.

 

Trolling is also against the rules. Opinions are welcomed as long as they contribute to the overall knowledge of the thread.

[Marge]

Hi guys, happy Friday the 13th!

 

An interesting 2 weeks for me; I like to do monthly challenges to experiment on how my body reacts to it. September was supposed to be a ‘no coffee challenge’ but I tweaked it to only one cup in the morning so that I can at least wake up. When I was totally honest with myself I realised that during the week I was on about 8 cups a day without even noticing! At work (sitting in front of a laptop for 8 hours) my coffee was like my 1-2 hour ‘smoke’ break. (only added bit of milk, no sugar)

Anyways, I’m split in two:

Cons: The dreaded withdrawal-headaches lasted for 10 days! Felt like a 10 day hang-over. Rooibos makes me hungry and crave for carbs!

Pros: not sure yet….not being dependant on caffeine to get through the day? I think after the challenge is over I will revert to 2-3 cups a day and this time keep it under control!

LCHF is an on-going battle/journey for me but I’m still trying to get the perfect balance that will suit my body and during the 2 and a half months since being on it I have learned a lot so thanks for all your info!

[davetapson]

Re Topwine:

 

You can just block him. I did at the beginning of the original thread and it made the whole experience much more pleasant. You can still hunt out his posts should you wish to read them . The only view I get of them is when his original comment is included in replies.

 

It is unfortunate, as he potentially has a lot to offer. However he needs to find a more socially acceptable way to interact. I could never tell if he was being serious or just doing some clandestine trolling.

Edited September 13, 2013 by davetapson

[davetapson]

I've been quiet on this thread as work has built up. My current regime:

 

I still try to avoid carbs in full on carb form (potatoes, pasta etc).

Veg is mainly squash type veg: courgettes, gems, occasionally butternut / pumpkin. Also broccoli, cauliflower, tenderstem broccolli etc.

Meat: Anything not breaded or covered in sweet sauces.

 

I don't do the coconut oil coffee thing, but I do do filter coffee with a good dose of cream, plus have scrambled eggs with a good dollop of cream (about half of the volume of the eggs - although today I added equal amout as the eggs and it was just fine ) and left over veg from the night before mixed in. If no left-over veg, I add cheese.

 

Lunch is salad with left-over meat/tuna plus woolies extra creamy mayo AND a dollop of olive oil and balsamic vinegar.

 

Mid-morning snack is currently an avo with salt, pepper, balsamic. Other wise olives, which I get from o-live - not completely cheap, but nice, and locally produced.

 

I have a glass of red most nights, and a block of lindt - anything from 70% choc up. My current favourite is 90%.

 

And I have the occasional beer - probably one week a night and a very occasional Guiness which is carbs squared.

 

My weight has stabilised at about 75kg. When I'm behaving, it drops into the 74's, when not, it gets into the 76's. Using Maff's belt buckle measurement system, that equates to fist hole if behaving, second hole if not!

 

Have been off the bike for a month or two due to lack of time / life in general. However, am back on as Berg 'n Bush is around the corner and I need to try and get a bit fit for that...

 

I do find tho' that when I stray from the path (which normally starts with pizza on a Friday night) I feel so horrible that is not hard to get back on track as that is just the preferable thing to do.

 

Oh - and snacks = dry wors, biltong, mac nuts, almonds, sometimes pecans or just mixed tree nuts from Woolies. Otherwise cheese, pickled onions, olives, salami, landjager wors etc.

Edited September 13, 2013 by davetapson

[zappa]

@ Dave, pretty much exactly where I am, weight also around 75-76 now, depending on night out and red wine. I am not controlled enough to count carbs or ketones, but what I've done has had a huge effect. No obvious carbs and lots of veggies which do include butternut and sweet potato.

 

Still on Statins, not sure if it is worth the risk to live with high cholesterol, (despite all the conspiracy theories re medical companies).

[lovestocycle]

Hello all....fascinating topic............

 

I have posted a few questions re 32GI juice etc on that threadand think there is likley a strong overlap between the two threads?

 

What is a good breakfast to have before a ride, best means of hydration and is there a snack needed?

I tried water a while ago but battled after a few rides...think though that I wasn't getting enough fat and ended up as more LCHP (Protein) than LCHF.

I have had my first ride on 32GI Endure with no snacks and all went very well..............

 

Thanks

[Cuppa Bru]

Hello all....fascinating topic............

 

I have posted a few questions re 32GI juice etc on that threadand think there is likley a strong overlap between the two threads?

 

What is a good breakfast to have before a ride, best means of hydration and is there a snack needed?

I tried water a while ago but battled after a few rides...think though that I wasn't getting enough fat and ended up as more LCHP (Protein) than LCHF.

I have had my first ride on 32GI Endure with no snacks and all went very well..............

 

Thanks

 

Everyone is different, but to "keto-adapt" the consensus is that you need to be low carb, moderate protein and high fat.

Then there is the lag when the body adjusts to getting energy from ketones instead of glucose.

During this period (easily a few weeks, up to 3 months) you'll need to take things easy during your training rides, especially making sure to stay out of anaerobic zones.

 

Be sure to take in enough salt!

[htone]

Hello all....fascinating topic............

 

I have posted a few questions re 32GI juice etc on that threadand think there is likley a strong overlap between the two threads?

 

What is a good breakfast to have before a ride, best means of hydration and is there a snack needed?

I tried water a while ago but battled after a few rides...think though that I wasn't getting enough fat and ended up as more LCHP (Protein) than LCHF.

I have had my first ride on 32GI Endure with no snacks and all went very well..............

 

Thanks

 

@lovestocycle - this is not an overnight, switch-on / switch-off process. You will need to train your body to start using fat in preference over carbs and as schweinehund has said, that takes a few weeks. Some people seem to manage to do this in about 4 weeks, but for most it is an 8 - 12 week process to fully adapt while training as well.

 

Once you have read through this thread and looked at some of the references on the first two pages of this thread, you will soon see that your question about breakfast becomes academic. When you are fully fat-adapted you could easily ride without any breakfast at all, depending on how hard you want to ride.

 

Most people on here who have become adapted to fat burning will still take some carbs during training in their VO2Max zones, as those carbs get readily burned for fuel by the body. The trick is to try and minimize this during the initial phase of adaptation so that you "force" your body to fire up that fat burning engine, which involves (amongst other things) actually forming new mitochondria in your muscles.

 

Just take it easy on yourself and if you have a training deadline looming for some big race, then best you start training and eating on the bike like you would want to during that race. Shout if you have questions - lots of people with great experience on here who will happily assist.

[htone]

GOOGLE DRIVE UPDATE

 

Telkom have made some temporary repairs to the ADSL infrastructure damaged during the heavy rains a week or two ago, but the full repair is only scheduled for 20 September. In the meantime all the movies have copied across. Starting later tonight, I will copy the following 3 movies that I received from tombeej (thanks Mate ):

 

David vs. Monsanto

Doctored

The future of food

 

I am also going to copy the following documentaries as I am sure you will find them interesting:

 

The end of the line (about how we are overfishing the oceans)

Pumping Iron (the original Arnold movie)

Vanishing of the Bees (disturbing evidence of genetic modification and pesticides killing off honey bees)

Redbull's Where the trail ends (extreme downhilling at its most extreme)

 

I will also copy a collection of Paleo cookbooks to a folder called "Paleo Cookbooks"

 

Francois has kindly shared some Atkins Diet info and that will be under "Atkins diet"

 

Can't tell you when this will all be done, so do check in from time to time.

 

That link again: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9eZXQXPw2z_RnJTcVRRQzVxWE0&usp=sharing

[tombeej]

Htone, the legend

[lovestocycle]

@lovestocycle - this is not an overnight, switch-on / switch-off process. You will need to train your body to start using fat in preference over carbs and as schweinehund has said, that takes a few weeks. Some people seem to manage to do this in about 4 weeks, but for most it is an 8 - 12 week process to fully adapt while training as well.

 

Once you have read through this thread and looked at some of the references on the first two pages of this thread, you will soon see that your question about breakfast becomes academic. When you are fully fat-adapted you could easily ride without any breakfast at all, depending on how hard you want to ride.

 

Most people on here who have become adapted to fat burning will still take some carbs during training in their VO2Max zones, as those carbs get readily burned for fuel by the body. The trick is to try and minimize this during the initial phase of adaptation so that you "force" your body to fire up that fat burning engine, which involves (amongst other things) actually forming new mitochondria in your muscles.

 

Just take it easy on yourself and if you have a training deadline looming for some big race, then best you start training and eating on the bike like you would want to during that race. Shout if you have questions - lots of people with great experience on here who will happily assist.

Thanks for the replies.

 

I went LCHF for close on 2 weeks but didnt get the fat content right.....will give it some thought and maybe implement after 94.7....I must say the resulyts achieved were awesome with up to a kg per day lost (went from 125 odd down to around 115 in a short time).

[htone]

Thanks for the replies.

 

I went LCHF for close on 2 weeks but didnt get the fat content right.....will give it some thought and maybe implement after 94.7....I must say the resulyts achieved were awesome with up to a kg per day lost (went from 125 odd down to around 115 in a short time).

No need to stop your adaptation, just keep tuning the carbs down and the fats up while maintaining about 1g protein / kg bodyweight. Even if you continue to gradually do this, you will benefit in the long run and cut your adaptation time when you do decide to give it another go. If you keep your carbs nice and low your weight should continue to roll off which in turn will give you a huge power to weight advantage on the bike. Whichever way you look at it, it's a win for you !

[Leon Besaans]

Hey guys,

 

Need some help here. Been following more Paleo than strictly LCHF, do consume fair amounts of fat, protein, carbs are mostly 2 fruits a day, salads and the odd sweet potato. I am "almost" a toppie at 48 yrs old.

 

Yesterday I rode the 70km Van Gaalens and took a serious beating. Finished on 6 hrs where the winner cruised in 2h20 odd.. Now I dont believe I am unfit, been training around 8 hrs a week for a while now, with heart rate monitor, doing all the high intensity stuff and also longer slower rides, what I do find is that any ride beyond 2h30 I start feeling the strain. I eat on the bike, bananas, sweet potato, 32gi bars, and also use 32gi in my water.

 

Question is, how the hell do you prepare yourself nutritionally for these mega marathon rides, and what do you guys eat/ drink on the ride.

 

Appreciate any comments

 

Regards