Cycle Science in Broadacres Sells Fake Pinarello

[marko35s]

Comparing this to buying a Rolex from a grocery store really? That's a bit pathetic.

The man went into a bike shop and, shock horror, bought a bike. He has every right to expect it to be what it was claimed to be. It's not like he wondered into Cash Crusaders in search of a bargain now is it.

[Brogue]

What I find ironic moronic is that people passing comment and judging are the same guys that will come on here with their other 100000 post mates and bitch about the most arbitrary supposed slights they suffer and receive any number of shoulders to cry on.

 

Fixed. Other than that your post is spot on

[MaXiMuM]

Ok, so whats actually going on here??

 

We have someone accusing a bike shop of selling a fake.

He has put it to us, that it is a confirmed fake. not grey import.

He confirmed that he was un-aware it was fake when he bought it.

He hasn't confirmed the price he paid, but has alluded to it being full, and complete retail associated with the real thing. - this is where my ethics get wiggled...

 

The bike shop has to be aware of this thread by now, but no response from them.

 

So in my industry, there are many knock-off artists.

We steer clear of the brands, but they make no bones that it is a knock-off, even copying the smallest thing on the items and brands they are knocking-off.

If we see the knock-off items, we show the client the original item, and they can see the difference. But they will always know that they saved money, some times a lot of money, with the imitation, but its quality is not where it should be.

 

So.

If the shop was selling the bike as the real deal at the price the genuine bike retails for, then they were trying to fleece him, that's fraud and the biggest FAIL!!

If the shop made it clear that it was a knock-off, and charged accordingly, BUYER BEWARE!!

 

I can't see the grey line, but I also don't see a win situation. He said, she said could get very horrible here...

 

** Disclaimer ** the term Knock-off, used with discretion.

[canadonis]

After reading all the posts a number of snotty comments are just sitting on the end of my tongue. As this is the hub maybe I should be a bit of a cat and let rip:

 

Firstly, you bought a genuine replica fake, or something like that. What you wanted was something that was like good, awesome, and would make you feel good. Which it did until you realised that it was neither genuine or a genuine replica ridden by some European pro cyclist. Now you are miffed. You feel cheated because it is a different bike, not because it was a worse bike. You assume that the bike is worse because Pinarello says it is not a Pinarello, not because you have cycled the real thing and felt the difference.

 

On this point it seems that you were easily parted with your money (goed koop is duur koop). As an analogy you went to a dodgy VW dealer to buy a BMW, and when realising you were sold a corsa you are the blixim in. It seems that in parting with almost 90k on a bike you were less prepared than when you go buying earl grey tea. It seems as if you were a willing victim of kakonomics, where suddenly you are aggrieved to realise that a non-registered (pinarello) dealer bike shop just doesn't suddenly sell Pinarello dogma's. I mean few people suddenly wake up in the morning and decide to buy a dogma, it is a dream bike, like a designer item, top of the brand the rolex of cycling, the rolls Royce of two wheels ext. To buy a dogma should entail working through the registered dealer and agent. You don't just buy a dogma. BUT you did.....

 

Also, as the Dogma is "the" bike, Pinarello and ASG should make more effort to sort this thing out. It is their good brand name that is being eroded. Image how much business (and helicopter flips) ASG is losing by Cycle Sciences little sideline? How can cycling a dogma be a status symbol when ever township boy is one a dagma look alike. What is the bumptious of that? Status must cost money and Cycle Science is eroding the entire edifice of the cycling pyramid. Next thing people will start winning races on Raleigh's.

 

Finally, you can take the loss as your instalment on your further education in cycling or chose to call your lawyers who will then call cycle sciences lawyers (who will then spend the money you gave them) to sort it all out and that would cost you the same.

 

Anyway, after all that cat-I-ness, I do feel sorry for you, partly because I was taken for a ride by a bike shop when I bought my first road bike. The guy sold me a bike that was 5cm too big. It was hell riding it and I had to buy a new frame shortly afterwards. But Karma is a b!tch and it turns out his wife preferred his bike mechanic in the hay.......

 

Wtf

 

Is this script meant for a Nigerian comedian.

[Andrew Armstrong]

Thank you, to those of you gave some good advice on how to get my money back and some words of encouragement. This has been a lugubrious experience to put it politely.

 

To those of you who thought I should have known better. Hindsight is always 20/20. However, I am not alone, I know of two other people who have been similarly ripped off. The fakes, if you have a look at the picture look a lot like the real thing to the unsuspecting or untrained eye. I trusted the bike shop this is an error of judgment, but I have been going there for over five years I even bought my son’s Bianci there. (note to self, check out Bianci)

 

To those of you who some how think I deserved to be ripped off. Perhaps you would like to borrow my fake frame, fake wheels and fake handlebars and practice some technical descending!

 

To the conspiracy theorists that think there is more to the story than simply being unwittingly sold a fake Pinarello by Cycle Science. I am sorry to disappoint you it is that simple. If it weren’t Cycle Science would have posted online and refuted Pinarello’s statement that the frame I purchased is fake. All I asked Cycle Science was to take back all the fake bike components they sold me anything genuine I would keep. They declined this offer. While I am disappointing you Neil Armstrong really did walk on the moon.

[canadonis]

Something gives me the feeling there is another side and/or additional or undisclosed aspects to this story. Amazingly, these types of Rants are so often started by new virgin OP accounts. Someone who had a Pina for 10+ years, buys a DOGMA, pays for TWO in a matter of months, first activity on thehub is a rant about how he got screwed.

 

Secondly, the OP keeps on about "wide spread frame failures" of un-branded bikes. Which really has nothing to do with the fact that the bike is a fake. The emphasis on this aspect just makes me wonder what the the real story is....

 

The Op seems to act totally naive on one aspect, but on the other hand claims to have knowledge of mass failure of un branded frames?

 

Also, the watches analogy makes no sense, because nothing gets more knocked off than a Rolex, and I'm certainly not going to shop for a Rolex at my friendly grocer. No matter how much I want to support my "local" grocer. This Op is the savior of every LBS. Not wanting to heckle pricing.... Really now?

 

And somehow, some 50 y.o international jet setter with enough liquid cash monies for 2x Dogmas at " Retail " gets ripped off at this scale just smells funny to ME?

 

I'm sorry IMHO this is wrong and unwarranted; your comments in many previous posts before has led me to respect your opinion and reviews on bikes etc but this view posted above has me questioning your credibility and perspectives.

 

yes i agree with the need need to get both sides however there is very little reason or insufficient information shared for you to question the integrity of the Andrew's post, and the basis being that he bought 2 x90k bikes without haggling or confirming the legitimacy of goods and oh not to forget very important on this forum, that a person needs to have at least 10 000 posts first.

 

The unfortunate reality is there is a huge amount of trust imparted by us on the reputation of these brands through legitimate dealers, e.g. I wouldn't go into the JOC dealer in Cape Town and look at their Piña with the checklist above I would assume it has already been checked and ratified by the agents, ASG in this case, allowing them distribution rights of their brands just as I'd have confidence to purchase a Rolex at the Waterfront vs Mowbray taxi rank.

 

Yes I may be somewhat naive in my approach by giving people the benefit of the doubt - to me this is a post informing us potential consumers of Cycle Science Broad acres the dangers of implicit trust as experienced by Andrew.

 

Please do not feel the need to justify your comments as you have done in subsequent posts as these are mere humble opinions from a member with sub 1000 posts.

 

 

 

 

[sharkysa]

Chances are the shop will now go bust and liquidate making it harder to get your money back.

 

I would first get the cash and then splash it on social media.

 

 

[Tumbleweed]

Thank you, to those of you gave some good advice on how to get my money back and some words of encouragement. This has been a lugubrious experience to put it politely.

 

To those of you who thought I should have known better. Hindsight is always 20/20. However, I am not alone, I know of two other people who have been similarly ripped off. The fakes, if you have a look at the picture look a lot like the real thing to the unsuspecting or untrained eye. I trusted the bike shop this is an error of judgment, but I have been going there for over five years I even bought my son’s Bianci there. (note to self, check out Bianci)

 

To those of you who some how think I deserved to be ripped off. Perhaps you would like to borrow my fake frame, fake wheels and fake handlebars and practice some technical descending!

 

To the conspiracy theorists that think there is more to the story than simply being unwittingly sold a fake Pinarello by Cycle Science. I am sorry to disappoint you it is that simple. If it weren’t Cycle Science would have posted online and refuted Pinarello’s statement that the frame I purchased is fake. All I asked Cycle Science was to take back all the fake bike components they sold me anything genuine I would keep. They declined this offer. While I am disappointing you Neil Armstrong really did walk on the moon.

 

If the bike has Bianci, not Bianchi, on it, there's your first clue.

 

Slightly off-topic, but we've established that it's a fake not grey…did they inform you at the time of the sale that it was grey?

[Tumbleweed]

The gonners smells. Don't ask....

 

Can't let that one go…come on, out with it…

['Dale]

Who knew guys could talk so much *** and be so bitchy! Loving this. Cant remember what I did for entertainment before finding the hub. Do your wives read this?

 

Men have feelings too, CleatsnCleavage...

 

['Dale]

 

Yeah whatever dude, but did you know that Laurent Fignon lost the TdF to Greg Lemond because he was using a fake Rolex?

 

Hahahahaha

Funny guy

 

:-)

['Dale]

 

 

Wtf

 

Is this script meant for a Nigerian comedian.

 

Yeah, Witkop's reasoning defies gravity.

Ek verstaan dit nie.

[DirtyFrank]

Irritating to read some of the stupid comments on this post and feel obliged to reply as I have`nt had my first cup of coffee yet to cheer me up.

 

Fact 1 : He went into the bike shop and buys a specific branded bike.

Fact 2 : Bikeshop sells him this bike at a price seemingly in line with the market value of said model (whether new or 2nd hand)

Fact 3 : Bike shop does not inform him that this is a fake/ cheap knockoff and man accepts in good faith that this is an original branded bike ( hIs level of knowledge on the brand has absolutely nothing to do with it!)

Fact 4: Man is informed quiet by coincidence by a reputable 3d party that the bike is a fake

Fact 6: Man confirms this information through his enqueries with the agents/ importers.

Fact 7 :Man goes back to bike shop to demand his money back but bike shop refuses and confirm all along that they knew the bike was a fake/cheap knockoff and they assumed he was aware of this( Again, his level of knowledge is not relevant ! )

Fact 8 :The shop offer to sell the bike on his behalf, thereby perpetuating the fraud and making him an accessory in the crime( presumably they were not intending to inform the next buyer that this was a fake or else they would not get a good price for the bike?)

 

As far as I am concerned this is a case of fraud and he should take legal action against the shop whether in court or in accordance with the CPA.

 

All the negative commentators/`experts` should step back and think about this a bit before they attack the man for exposing this.

[Blue Monster]

I was in the market for an S works SL4 frame. While having breakfast at Europa, outside said bicycle shop, I saw an "S Works" frame on the repair stand. I enquired about it, as I was ideally looking for a good used frame. I was told by John, that he could get me one for R 20 000. It was directly from specialized, but as a parallel import. "Parallel Import" being his words.

I was quite surprised, as even a used frame from USA & Europe, would cost in excess od R25 000.

I popped in the next day and noticed that there was no serial number on the BB.

Decided to run a mile.

 

The shop in question must have contacts with frame manufacturers, as the MITO is their branded frame, which they sell as a high end frame, and price it accordingly.

 

WRT the OPs comment of buying two bikes soon after each other, read his post where he said he wanted if for his 50th.

 

I eventually also got a S Works which was supposed to be my Argus dream bike. But that has its own story, for another day

['Dale]

No doubt, DirtyFrank

 

The opening post is a good warning shot for other consumers.

 

 

[Greybeard]

Thank you, to those of you gave some good advice on how to get my money back and some words of encouragement. This has been a lugubrious experience to put it politely.

 

To those of you who thought I should have known better. Hindsight is always 20/20. However, I am not alone, I know of two other people who have been similarly ripped off. The fakes, if you have a look at the picture look a lot like the real thing to the unsuspecting or untrained eye. I trusted the bike shop this is an error of judgment, but I have been going there for over five years I even bought my son’s Bianci there. (note to self, check out Bianci)

 

To those of you who some how think I deserved to be ripped off. Perhaps you would like to borrow my fake frame, fake wheels and fake handlebars and practice some technical descending!

 

To the conspiracy theorists that think there is more to the story than simply being unwittingly sold a fake Pinarello by Cycle Science. I am sorry to disappoint you it is that simple. If it weren’t Cycle Science would have posted online and refuted Pinarello’s statement that the frame I purchased is fake. All I asked Cycle Science was to take back all the fake bike components they sold me anything genuine I would keep. They declined this offer. While I am disappointing you Neil Armstrong really did walk on the moon.

Welcome to the Hub where the wild swing in comments is the norm.

"To those of you who some how think I deserved to be ripped off. Perhaps you would like to borrow my fake frame, fake wheels and fake handlebars and practice some technical descending!"

You were quite simply ripped off and in an industry that is constantly becoming ethically questionable, you need to take this as far as you can. Providing all your proof is clear, we should be supporting your attempt to nail the "Dark" side of the industry.