Is motorcycling allowed?

[Hairy]

3 minutes ago, Steven Knoetze (sk27) said:

Most of these dealers turn over their stock so quickly I don't see how they can go over it thoroughly.
I was looking at bikes on WeBuyCars, they have a Dekra report but it is so generic and cut and paste, it is actually pretty useless!!!

 

I was also origionally looking at WeBuyCars, and those Dekra reports did seem generic, but still better than nothing.

It was the fact that there was no fall back if you had issues vs the price you are paying that got me looking elsewhere as you could just as well buy from a dealer for about the same price.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

4 minutes ago, ouzo said:

WeBuyCars operate very different to a normal dealer, they are very much a "voetstoots" kind of operation and dodge the comebacks by providing a Dekra report.

A normal dealer trading in or buying in a bike/car will want to make sure they are not getting a problem vehicle, so if they are doing their jobs properly will go over the vehicle very carefully. They really dont want to have to deal with these kind of comebacks.

Makes sense now.
Also explains why my brother-in-law had no luck when his car had a catastrophic clutch failure within a month of purchase. They pursued a claim but got nowhere with it.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Steven Knoetze (sk27)

[Hairy]

I have however learnt a lot in a short period of time, and will be far more critical in the future.

Did I mention that the Road King Special at the Durbanville HD dealer really has my attention

[sawystertrance]

Hairy, I think you have the right attitude. Get fixed what you can get fixed, then sit back, take the heat out of it and write it off to school fees.

 

The most telling thing you have said in all your posts on this matter is this one:

"I do really love riding this bike though "

There it is. 'Nuff said. Go ride. 

[Hairy]

6 minutes ago, sawystertrance said:

Hairy, I think you have the right attitude. Get fixed what you can get fixed, then sit back, take the heat out of it and write it off to school fees.

 

The most telling thing you have said in all your posts on this matter is this one:

"I do really love riding this bike though "

There it is. 'Nuff said. Go ride. 

believe me I do, every chance I get

[IceCreamMan]

2 hours ago, Hairy said:

I have only been dealing with the shop owner ... will stay on his case as I believe him to be a good guy, just not good at following through and dealing with admin.

But my patience is wearing thin.

No voetstoots comments anywhere and I repeatedly asked the question of "should I know anything because I do not know what to look for" 

Just want to add a comment or 2. 

Firstly, sorry to hear Hairy, not pleasant when buying a motorcycle which is a heart buy. We expect it to just be smooth. 

Secondly, there seems to be misconceptions regarding voetstoots. Voetstoots does not give idemnity to a seller for known latent and patent defects. Thus for example, if a seller knows there is a fault with a vehicle he is still obligated to disclose this. Seeing as you bought the bike from a dealer and the dealer being knowledgeable about things motorcycling it should be reasonable to assume that the dealer would know of some (or all) of the defects you mention. (5 years of law studies and i think this is all i learnt ) 

the dealer is not exempt in this case. That said its an uphill battle in ZA and i sympathise. Service is just not valued. 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by IceCreamMan

[IceCreamMan]

2 hours ago, Steven Knoetze (sk27) said:

Most of these dealers turn over their stock so quickly I don't see how they can go over it thoroughly.
I was looking at bikes on WeBuyCars, they have a Dekra report but it is so generic and cut and paste, it is actually pretty useless!!!

 

A dealer worth his salt and reputation has an obligation to ensure the motorcycle is safe and has been gone over. They could be held liable. 

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

1 hour ago, IceCreamMan said:

A dealer worth his salt and reputation has an obligation to ensure the motorcycle is safe and has been gone over. They could be held liable. 

Agreed, although nothing Hairy has mentioned really has safety implications. Perhaps the numberplate light..

[Hairy]

41 minutes ago, Steven Knoetze (sk27) said:

Agreed, although nothing Hairy has mentioned really has safety implications. Perhaps the numberplate light..

I think the following could apply if it were that argument

1. retention pin/pivot to the front brake lever
2. belt guard ... loose clothing or straps, whatever can get hooked in there
3. license plate light meh

[Duane_Bosch]

57 minutes ago, Hairy said:

I think the following could apply if it were that argument

1. retention pin/pivot to the front brake lever
2. belt guard ... loose clothing or straps, whatever can get hooked in there
3. license plate light meh

1. I had a Honda RVF and those would rattle out if not checked. I suppose a little loctite should have been applied.

 

That same RVF fell off the stand. (don't ask) You'd be shocked at how much damage was done by that silly little topple over. That bike is the only "object" I've ever owned that I truly miss. The motor made such a sweet sound and the bike had so much character. It wasn't as scary to ride as my CBR so it felt ok to belt it a bit. This is the only pic I have of both bikes together.

 

Some TIK KOP low life POS and his mates jumped our wall and stole it along with a whole lot of other stuff. he rode it till it ran out of gas and abandoned it. It was recovered and I got it back but the love affair was over.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Duane_Bosch

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

2 hours ago, Hairy said:

I think the following could apply if it were that argument

1. retention pin/pivot to the front brake lever
2. belt guard ... loose clothing or straps, whatever can get hooked in there
3. license plate light meh

True, missed that.......

 

[IceCreamMan]

2 hours ago, Duane_Bosch said:

1. I had a Honda RVF and those would rattle out if not checked. I suppose a little loctite should have been applied.

 

That same RVF fell off the stand. (don't ask) You'd be shocked at how much damage was done by that silly little topple over. That bike is the only "object" I've ever owned that I truly miss. The motor made such a sweet sound and the bike had so much character. It wasn't as scary to ride as my CBR so it felt ok to belt it a bit. This is the only pic I have of both bikes together.

 

Some TIK KOP low life POS and his mates jumped our wall and stole it along with a whole lot of other stuff. he rode it till it ran out of gas and abandoned it. It was recovered and I got it back but the love affair was over.

Always thought the CBR600's with the underseat exhausts were so damn classy looking. Still rate the earlier underseat model design right up there with the 916 in termos of aesthetic beauty. 

 

One day, maybe i will have one...nice red. 

[The Ouzo]

9 minutes ago, IceCreamMan said:

Always thought the CBR600's with the underseat exhausts were so damn classy looking. Still rate the earlier underseat model design right up there with the 916 in termos of aesthetic beauty. 

 

One day, maybe i will have one...nice red. 

There was one parked on the floor here for a few months, repsol colours. I lusted after that bike.

[Duane_Bosch]

14 hours ago, ouzo said:

There was one parked on the floor here for a few months, repsol colours. I lusted after that bike.

Mine was in the HRC colors. Loved it. I love the Telefonica ones. And the other day I saw a blade in the West colors. Remember the West Honda's with Barros and Capirex?

My one mate has a blade that he's turned into a race bike. HRC colors and he rides with a Marquez replica shoei. Such a neat setup.

 

Somehow I've got a soft spot for Hondas. Everyone lusts after Ducati 998's but I lust after the SP1 of the same era.

[Duane_Bosch]

15 hours ago, IceCreamMan said:

Always thought the CBR600's with the underseat exhausts were so damn classy looking. Still rate the earlier underseat model design right up there with the 916 in termos of aesthetic beauty. 

 

One day, maybe i will have one...nice red. 

Mine was an 08. Which for me was the prettiest version of that under seat exhaust CBR. And I love the race replica color ones. The underseat exhaust wasn't without it's challenges. on a hot day in traffic you'd end up with a set of hard boiled eggs in no time. I shudder to think what it would be like for a pillion.

[Spokey]

On 10/18/2021 at 6:33 AM, Andrew_Smith said:

Beautiful KLR with lekker aggressive looking tyres @Spokey

Thanks! Dunlop 606 on the rear and Pirelli MT21 on front. I removed the rear foot pegs too, kind of looks nicer, IMHO of course!