JGR Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Dare I even say...? There are some okes here who are out for blood man. Apparently taking goed is unforgivable (though the good book states otherwise), and should you get nabbed you should be punished the same way a pedophile should... This Lance guy really matters a lot to some people here...Well, yeah, cream of societies crop I tell you! Never done a thing wrong .... Did you end up paying the testing?
JGR Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I say good on Lance for telling it like it is, I have a few drinks, maybe slur a little later, I play golf and enjoy a few meals out with friends. Regular person. Although I do have to say I am a little concerned that he appears to have not consulted the Hub recently regarding his sloppy lifestyle of enjoying a few drinks and playing golf, I am pretty sure I read here somewhere how terrible a few drinks are for you, and playing golf is only for semi alcoholic, fat, old men, no self respecting cyclist plays golf.But I might not have had my glasses on, so I probably read incorrectly.Only time I play golf is after a few drinks
JGR Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/28206045 Thought I would add this from todays sports news ........ Gets caught, serves one year, racing and winning shortly thereafter. All medals and achievements in tact ... USADA at its consistent best
GrumpyOldGuy Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Only time I play golf is after a few drinks Ha, Ha, I am a big golf fan and play regularly, but I try and keep the drinks till after the game, which probably accounts for my poor handicap.
rudi-h Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I agree with this.. We should see athletes like we see ourselves. Yes, they have a talents but we also have talents not necessarily in sports but maybe in math for example. As an engineer "wanneer ek k@k aanjaag" -building collapsed/people die.. I will not be able to work in the engineering field ever and I will even face jail time. Don't see why it shouldn't be the same Sports with a spice of money will always be a dirty cocktail! I'm also an engineer and to "jaag *** aan" to the extent that a building collapses and as a result being scrapped as a Pr.Eng is a very bad correlation to doping in sport. To let a building collapse, you need to be very bad and your company management also has to be very bad if their system allows a single persons mistakes to bring down the reputation of the company. Me and you go to work everyday and we have no incentive or motivation to cut the corners, because ultimately the work that you do is reported/recorded formally in project archives for years and taking a short-cut now can be traced for at least the 10 years that ECSA requires you to keep your records. With doping, you can dope today and if you don't get tested straight after the stage, you get away with it forever. If you could get sign-off on a deliverable by doing a half-job and permanently clear any traces of your wrongdoing within 2 days, I'm sure we'd see a lot more half-jobs in the Engineering industry too... Not saying doping is by any means acceptable, its just that the risk / reward ratio for doping in cycling is much higher than the risk / reward ration for cheating in a day job... Its like the ugly guy that never gets noticed by ladies judging the likes of Tiger Woods for adultery. How many people can confidently say that they would never cheat if every second supermodel threw herself at you... It doesn't make Tiger Woods right, but is it a fair comparison?
JGR Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Ha, Ha, I am a big golf fan and play regularly, but I try and keep the drinks till after the game, which probably accounts for my poor handicap. the 19th hole is also my favourite
Jocklaw Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Please read Chrisophe Bassons' book, A Clean Break: My Story( available on kindle) to get the perspective of a guy the physiological equal of Bernard Hinault, who did not dope and was the subject of Lance Armstrong's abuse. I think it will give many who excuse doping and dopers a different perspective.
andydude Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 if you're not racing UCI sanctioned races, it doesnt really matter. All normal funrides in SA are sanctioned by CSA and they fall under UCI therefore all normal funrides in SA fall under UCI?
andydude Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.bbc.com/s...letics/28206045 Thought I would add this from todays sports news ........ Gets caught, serves one year, racing and winning shortly thereafter. All medals and achievements in tact ... USADA at its consistent best You do understand that there are degrees of breaking rules/laws? For example, the drug dealer on the street would get a shorter sentence than the kingpin supplying the drug dealers. In a sense LA was die kingpin. But as people have said, maybe it's been long enough? Let him go get aggro in the Vets races. A few of them them dope in any case.
Race Turtle Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I'm also an engineer and to "jaag *** aan" to the extent that a building collapses and as a result being scrapped as a Pr.Eng is a very bad correlation to doping in sport. To let a building collapse, you need to be very bad and your company management also has to be very bad if their system allows a single persons mistakes to bring down the reputation of the company. Me and you go to work everyday and we have no incentive or motivation to cut the corners, because ultimately the work that you do is reported/recorded formally in project archives for years and taking a short-cut now can be traced for at least the 10 years that ECSA requires you to keep your records. With doping, you can dope today and if you don't get tested straight after the stage, you get away with it forever. If you could get sign-off on a deliverable by doing a half-job and permanently clear any traces of your wrongdoing within 2 days, I'm sure we'd see a lot more half-jobs in the Engineering industry too... Not saying doping is by any means acceptable, its just that the risk / reward ratio for doping in cycling is much higher than the risk / reward ration for cheating in a day job... Its like the ugly guy that never gets noticed by ladies judging the likes of Tiger Woods for adultery. How many people can confidently say that they would never cheat if every second supermodel threw herself at you... It doesn't make Tiger Woods right, but is it a fair comparison? I fully understand your point, It wasn't the best comparison.. but I was referring to the post on - 1 offense = banned for life from all competition. I'm just saying a doper should get a life ban from the sport the same as we get banned from our profession IF we 'jaag *** aan'. Fortunately we follow a legit system to prevent this from happening but as you've said the risk/reward for doping is much higher and always will be cause the system sucks
Baaisikilist Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 All normal funrides in SA are sanctioned by CSA and they fall under UCI therefore all normal funrides in SA fall under UCI? Correct
eddy Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/28206045 Thought I would add this from todays sports news ........ Gets caught, serves one year, racing and winning shortly thereafter. All medals and achievements in tact ... USADA at its consistent best Well, LA was offered the same deal as his US Postal team mates. He close not to accept it. Had he done, he would have kept some (maybe all) of his wins and got 6 months like the rest. It is his fault he was so harshly dealt with.
SwissVan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 if you're not racing UCI sanctioned races, it doesnt really matter. That sums up 99% of whats wrong with humans
rudi-h Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Well, LA was offered the same deal as his US Postal team mates. He close not to accept it. Had he done, he would have kept some (maybe all) of his wins and got 6 months like the rest. It is his fault he was so harshly dealt with. Not according to LA. He spcifically said in an interview on "the armstrong lie" that he was never offered that deal
Danger Dassie Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Not according to LA. He spcifically said in an interview on "the armstrong lie" that he was never offered that deal Sounds credible.
dracs Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Finally got round to actually reading the article - LOOONG but seriously good I think. Might even make those with deep-set opinions look at things slightly differently?...... .... HAH - what was I thinking!
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