Brakes not really breaking

[rouxtjie]

A leak would surely show traces, and I have not found anything. Been feeling ready to give up on them ever since the weekend ride...

Mr rolla

 

From what I can remember when I used to bleed avids(elixir cr's)....quite a while ago is that it is a patience game....do a normal bleed as per instructions and then sit with a plastic ruler and tap the whole system(especially the levers) lightly...while the bleed port is still open....I used to get little bubbles coming out by doing this. Its a 5 day game unfortunately so have a six pack handy and radio on mix fm...

[RocknRolla]

I dont drink and fix anymore. cost too much, both parts and beer.

 

If I was retired, or had lots of time on my hands, I would love a little challenge like this, but time is owned by work and 3 boys.

 

Patience. OK

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Mr rolla

 

From what I can remember when I used to bleed avids(elixir cr's)....quite a while ago is that it is a patience game....do a normal bleed as per instructions and then sit with a plastic ruler and tap the whole system(especially the levers) lightly...while the bleed port is still open....I used to get little bubbles coming out by doing this. Its a 5 day game unfortunately so have a six pack handy and radio on mix fm...

 

Yeah. Air bubbles have a habit of locking on to ANYTHING they can. Especially in an oil mixture. Stubborn little feckers. And if you rush the job, no matter which system you're using, you'll introduce more air into the system and be at sq 1 again

[SwissVan]

Hi guys,

I put new brake pads on my bike today and now they hardly working. Only once the lever basically touches the bars do you feel anything start to happen. I bled them and still no improvement, any advice on how I can sort this out?

They are avid juicey disk brakes.

Thanks

Curiosity killed the kat? If you replaced the pads why did u bleed the brakes? Next time just replace the pads maybe

[ChUkKy]

Its a 5 day game unfortunately so have a six pack handy and radio on mix fm... :eek:

 

Jussie pal, Ive died of thirst just reading this

[Johan Bornman]

And? I've also had shimano (my wife has them on her bike) as well as tektro. Now THOSE were crap.

 

In the avid stable - elixir 5, xx + code.

 

The OP's problem could occur with any brand. Maybe a bit of diet stuck next to the piston, but most probably air in the system and improperly bedded pads

I don't see how improperly bedded pads can affect the take-up position of the brakes.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I don't see how improperly bedded pads can affect the take-up position of the brakes.

 

More from the amount of force being applied to get them to bite. Agreed on when the pads make contact, but if there's oil or contamination or just a combination of a bad bleed and improperly bedded pads, it may contribute to the braking force only being felt at that point (v close to the bars)

 

But if you read my post again I say "probably air in the system AND improperly bedded pads" as in both things.

[droo]

If anyone's throwing away a set of Juicys, I need a set for my SS. I've got rotors, just need the hydraulic bits.

[Beast Tech]

If anyone's throwing away a set of Juicys, I need a set for my SS. I've got rotors, just need the hydraulic bits.

 

Hustler

[Johan Bornman]

More from the amount of force being applied to get them to bite. Agreed on when the pads make contact, but if there's oil or contamination or just a combination of a bad bleed and improperly bedded pads, it may contribute to the braking force only being felt at that point (v close to the bars)

 

But if you read my post again I say "probably air in the system AND improperly bedded pads" as in both things.

Disclaimers like "probably" doesn't get you off the hook. A contaminated brake will have exactly the same feel as a properly working one and there was no need to throw in solutions to other brake-related problems. The OP stated clearly what the symptoms are and deserves either a sensible answer or silence. Throwing a bunch of red herrings on the trail doesn't help him solve the problem nor does it help the understanding of hydraulic brakes.

[droo]

Hustler

 

Just trying to get the anti-Avid brigade to put its money where its mouth is. If it lands me a free brakeset it's a bonus.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Disclaimers like "probably" doesn't get you off the hook. A contaminated brake will have exactly the same feel as a properly working one and there was no need to throw in solutions to other brake-related problems. The OP stated clearly what the symptoms are and deserves either a sensible answer or silence. Throwing a bunch of red herrings on the trail doesn't help him solve the problem nor does it help the understanding of hydraulic brakes.

 

Johan - I was pointing to my use of AND. Read, man, before you try and have an argument with me.

 

If he's just installed the pads, it stands to reason that they haven't been bedded in, yes?

 

If the lever is pulling all the way to the bars before "feeling something" (braking force / pad movement was not clear from the OP) there's either air in the system, a leak somewhere, the pads and / or discs are contaminated (oil / whatever - pulls the brakes but doesn't feel any great amount of stopping power until they're almost at the bars) or there's something up with the pistons ito blockage / misalignment, yes?

 

But, as I said before - the problem is MOST PROBABLY air in the system AND improperly bedded pads.

 

Great. Glad you agree.

Edited August 13, 2014 by cpt armpies mayhem

[jimmycool]

 

Disclaimers like "probably" doesn't get you off the hook. A contaminated brake will have exactly the same feel as a properly working one and there was no need to throw in solutions to other brake-related problems. The OP stated clearly what the symptoms are and deserves either a sensible answer or silence. Throwing a bunch of red herrings on the trail doesn't help him solve the problem nor does it help the understanding of hydraulic brakes.

Eish, no need to get aggressive with the guy when he was just trying to offer some helpful advice based on his passed experiences. After all is that not part of what thehub is supposed to be?

[rouxtjie]

Johan - I was pointing to my use of AND. Read, man, before you try and have an argument with me.

 

If he's just installed the pads, it stands to reason that they haven't been bedded in, yes?

 

If the lever is pulling all the way to the bars before "feeling something" (braking force / pad movement was not clear from the OP) there's either air in the system, a leak somewhere, the pads and / or discs are contaminated (oil / whatever - pulls the brakes but doesn't feel any great amount of stopping power until they're almost at the bars) or there's something up with the pistons ito blockage / misalignment, yes?

 

But, as I said before - the problem is MOST PROBABLY air in the system AND improperly bedded pads.

 

Great. Glad you agree.

biting my lip here....

 

cpt...meneer, smile and wave. Trolls hate it

Edited August 13, 2014 by rouxtjie

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

biting my lip here....

 

cpt...meneer, smile and wave. Trolls hate it

 

LOL. Sometimes, one has to bite back.

[Wannabe]

If anyone's throwing away a set of Juicys, I need a set for my SS. I've got rotors, just need the hydraulic bits.

 

Got a recently serviced set of Juicy Threes (white in color, sans rotors) for sale. Make me an offer I can't refuse.

Upgraded to an even better set of Avids, the Elixer R's.