GrumpyOldGuy Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Admittedly this is not for everyone but let’s put some perspective into it. I can’t remember ever seeing an account where a bicycle accident has caused the death of another person. But motor vehicle accidents cause the deaths of thousands of people daily. So we can deduce that riding a bicycle is non-lethal to others whereas driving a motor vehicle is an extremely high risk activity and an extremely lethal activity. Breaking road laws on a bicycle is non-lethal, except perhaps to myself, but breaking road laws in a motor vehicle is potentially deadly to other road users. So if anyone who watches this video has never broken the speed limit, never got a speeding ticket, never texted or used a mobile phone while driving or has never driven after consuming alcohol, then you may pass judgement, as you are indeed a perfect human and we should worship you as you may be Jesus. If not then you form part of the millions of motor vehicle users that break one or more road laws on a daily basis while operating a lethal weapon and potentially putting hundreds and thousands of innocent people’s lives at risk.Otherwise enjoy the cycling sub-culture of fixing riding, hustling and alley cat racing (which incidentally is a worldwide phenomenon superbly captured on camera by Lucas Brunelle). Well, I have to say your argument is creative. Its also flawed, weak, porous and can never hold muster, but indeed, its creative. A point you appear to have missed is that once you participate in an illegal activity you negate all rights, you lose the moral high ground, and any argument brought forward is irrelevant, the motorists had a legal right to be there, they have the high ground, you lost yours the minute the start gun went off. Strangely, later you further seek to justify the activity by saying everyone should just enjoy the subculture as only the cyclist is in danger, well I dont know, maybe you also justify insurance fraud by pointing to all those premiums you paid, just getting my money back chum, or stealing from your employer, because, Hey he underpays you anyway! Hmm, blurred boundaries,... common when one tries to justify something illegal. I am not the most frequent poster here, but ever since I joined I have seen a slow groundswell of responsible cyclists who are saying, "look guys, lets put a foot down at stop streets, lets only pass on green, lets not ride three abreast, lets be courteous, lets improve our act" but here we have cyclists who are quite happy and prepared to ride roughshod over all that good will to leverage a personal liberty and gain, how can that be acceptable? I can only think of two reasons for someone posting that video here, one, is to create controversy and two, is to recruit a few more people to join and swell the numbers. Whatever the motivation, by allowing this kind of activity to be promoted on an open website for cyclists, regrettably, gives it a loud voice, and in a certain way a legitimacy it does not deserve, it can easily be seen by someone and misinterpreted as been acceptable to the majority, or even posted on a motoring site for example and saying "See, these cyclists dont care a hoot about us, why should we care about them?" Nothing like flaming the fires of the already irritated motorist I guess.
Cargyrl Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Disclaimer: The participants in this video are highly skilled cyclists taking part entirely at the own risk, within their own technical capabilities, perception of danger and personal risk taking boundaries! Darwin award for these blokes! Their stupidity makes is harder for other cyclists to use the road. To be removed out of the gene-pool. Analogy - makes smoking and shooting up heroin glamorous. Both stupid, silly and life threatening.
MTB-BFK Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Well, I have to say your argument is creative. Its also flawed, weak, porous and can never hold muster, but indeed, its creative. A point you appear to have missed is that once you participate in an illegal activity you negate all rights, you lose the moral high ground, and any argument brought forward is irrelevant, the motorists had a legal right to be there, they have the high ground, you lost yours the minute the start gun went off. Strangely, later you further seek to justify the activity by saying everyone should just enjoy the subculture as only the cyclist is in danger, well I dont know, maybe you also justify insurance fraud by pointing to all those premiums you paid, just getting my money back chum, or stealing from your employer, because, Hey he underpays you anyway! Hmm, blurred boundaries,... common when one tries to justify something illegal. I am not the most frequent poster here, but ever since I joined I have seen a slow groundswell of responsible cyclists who are saying, "look guys, lets put a foot down at stop streets, lets only pass on green, lets not ride three abreast, lets be courteous, lets improve our act" but here we have cyclists who are quite happy and prepared to ride roughshod over all that good will to leverage a personal liberty and gain, how can that be acceptable? I can only think of two reasons for someone posting that video here, one, is to create controversy and two, is to recruit a few more people to join and swell the numbers. Whatever the motivation, by allowing this kind of activity to be promoted on an open website for cyclists, regrettably, gives it a loud voice, and in a certain way a legitimacy it does not deserve, it can easily be seen by someone and misinterpreted as been acceptable to the majority, or even posted on a motoring site for example and saying "See, these cyclists dont care a hoot about us, why should we care about them?" Nothing like flaming the fires of the already irritated motorist I guess.a collective bow is offered - extremely well put
Godzilla Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 What an almighty WANK !!!As my dearest mother still says ''Its always fun until someone loses an eye'.I have absolutely NO TIME for any arsehole giving bike riders a bad name !! These cocks are doing exactly that.No regard for the law And these wankers will be the exact arseholes who bitch on the Hub when a cyclist in knocked down by a car.NOT COOL Gents !
MTB-BFK Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 As in the thread of the legendary Northern Farm Crusher (and extreme Yoga practitioner), this is a case of "I don't think it turned out how you expected" for the OP. Things that make you go mmmmm?
Milosh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 THIS https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/146718-another-hit-and-runr557/
Wyatt Earp Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I can only think of two reasons for someone posting that video here, one, is to create controversy and two, is to recruit a few more people to join and swell the numbers. Yip, some good old marketing .
DIPSLICK Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 THIS https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/146718-another-hit-and-runr557/not really because the driver wont have to do a runner because the accident would not have been caused by him and he would have no reason to flee the scene
clivem Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 To me, this Premium Rush is not for sissies. While I don't think I'll ever enter I do see the entertainment value of watching the Youtubes. Just like the base jumpers jumping from urban buildings are doing illegal, dangerous, etc things, there is entertainment value to watching them. These contenders aren't necessarily looking for new recruits to threaten their podium places (I don't think), so it's all voluntary. Therefore there is no need to justify why we aren't entering the next event. PS. What is the Facebook page?
Hackster Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Okay, so clearly it's wrong, dom and stupid. But The only thing that left me deeply uncomfortable was watching pedestrians having to jump to safety on a pedestrian flippin' crossing - that seems wrong in so many ways. That said, I don't feel that motorists are going to look at this bunch and say, 'all cyclists are knobs, next time I see one I'm gonna run him over'. I think most motorists will look at these guys and say, 'sjoe, these particular cyclists have many knob-like qualities'. But one question for the hustlers, lets say a motorist has an accident because of you, he/she swerves in fright (or to avoid you) and hits another car, are you going to be brave enough to stop and face the music? What you do at that moment will define whether you have balls or not.
rudi-h Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I am one of the riders and have responded where I felt it deemed necessary. I for one understand why very few of you like it. But whether you like it or not, condone it or not, aprove or not, I realy don't care. I ride it, enjoy it and take the risks I feel is within my limits. I don't ride up one ways, in the video the rider is shown going against traffic, but that was his choice to ride on the righthand side. But in the end the b!tching and moaning on the critics side and the justification on the other side will not effect me. So a response is not always worth it whatever you say, riding like this in traffic is not cool and is downright irresponsible, irrespective of how well you think you can ride a bicycle. you should really reconsider your position on this and ask yourself why you deem it to be so much fun? i can't see why it is way more awesome than riding somewhere safe... how do they say: "you can be anything you want to be, just don't be a ****".
droenn Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Ahh, there's that sense of entitlement rearing its ugly head again.
Letum911 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Only 3 more handbags and I'll have the whole collection! 1) As a fellow motor vehicle driver, I have been driven off the road various times by taxi's and BMW owners. Yet this does not send me into a frenzy where I blow up every minibus or BMW. If this is the case with you, the fact that a cyclist cut you off is the least of your worries.2) A knob on he's mtb cut me off this morning, guess what. I did not kill even one cyclist on the way home. So there's that argument. 3) This form of cycling is dangerous, we deal with it and accept the possibility of death. If you don't like it don't ride4) In general we never have issues with pedestrians, and judging by the amount of cheering and greetings they don't mind us that much.5) The odd close encounter with pedestrians does happen, but the funny thing is this happens whether you're cycling, driving or walking6) I do not ride the hustle to be cool, different or a hipster. I ride it cause I enjoy it7) I do not see myself as an extremely talented rider, I stay within my limits and within my limits I (mostly) stay on my bike8) Should I be unfortunate and get into an accident with a motor vehicle or pedestrian, I will do the correct thing. Share details, call an ambulance etc. What makes this situation any different to that of where you are driving a car?
shaper Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Have a feeling this will still be around on Friday.... then there can be a real handbag swinging contest....
Prince Albert Cycles Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Why not rather play Russian roulette ? At least if things go wrong it will be a proper job .
droenn Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 The whole argument used is based on the premise that it only affects the riders and noone else. Are you really too blind to see how reckless cycling impacts the wider cycling community? Can you picture how bringing innocent parties into your fun and games through incident could potentially have longer term effects then "oops, lets swap details". Especially if that results in injury to someone else....
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