Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Lexx]

I also search the whole damn web. Then I saw someone posted on the comments at the loskop Marathon page about webticket.

[Paddaman]

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They are running the race like a business?

Seriously, the cost of metro police has gone up, same with medical support, and the willingness of volunteers has dropped.  A watering point costs about R6 000 to run.  

[Stretch]

At 250 odd..I would do a marathon as a training run.. At 360 I would rather just run 42km on my own.... They are going to lose numbers in the long run because a lot of competitors won't afford that

 

I can't comment on the cost of things because I am out of touch.. But 360 still seems crazy

 

That said.... My local marathon here is going to cost me €68... And if I wanted to do Paris...€120

[Paddaman]

They are running the race like a business?

Seriously, the cost of metro police has gone up, same with medical support, and the willingness of volunteers has dropped.  A watering point costs about R6 000 to run.  

One of the major problems that I have observed in organised sport, is that at some stage there is one organiser or administrator that forgets that he is involved in the sport FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT, and suddenly finds a taste for money. 

 

Until the late 1980's early 1990's most running, cycling, sailing, duathlon and chess events were organised by either provincial associations (selection trials) or clubs.  The members of the club would all volunteer to do something, and a small profit would be turned on the day, which would be used to defer some of the clubs expenses.

 

This however changed when a number of things changed. 

Firstly, club members started "becoming too busy" to volunteer, (maybe because the club lost contact with the needs of its members),

Secondly, enterprising individuals realised that they could get access to the profit if they filled this gap caused by apathy of club members (these guys often contracted with the club to share profits if they organised the club events),

Thirdly the national/regional bodies, started losing control over the sport and the calendar which allowed more space for organizers to host events independent of the national and club structures, which made club events even less profitable

Fourthly parents became more involved in the associations and ignored the importance of clubs along with the needs of adult sport, and hijacked events as fund raisers for the youth teams and other charities, and

lastly, because we as participants were no longer involved in race organisation, we floated away from the club structures and were eager to pay exorbitant entry fees for events with "big" goody bags and hospitality tents.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Paddaman

[Andrew Steer]

One of the major problems that I have observed in organised sport, is that at some stage there is one organiser or administrator that forgets that he is involved in the sport FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT, and suddenly finds a taste for money. 

 

Until the late 1980's early 1990's most running, cycling, sailing, duathlon and chess events were organised by either provincial associations (selection trials) or clubs.  The members of the club would all volunteer to do something, and a small profit would be turned on the day, which would be used to defer some of the clubs expenses.

 

This however changed when a number of things changed. 

Firstly, club members started "becoming too busy" to volunteer, (maybe because the club lost contact with the needs of its members),

Secondly, enterprising individuals realised that they could get access to the profit if they filled this gap caused by apathy of club members (these guys often contracted with the club to share profits if they organised the club events),

Thirdly the national/regional bodies, started losing control over the sport and the calendar which allowed more space for organizers to host events independent of the national and club structures, which made club events even less profitable

Fourthly parents became more involved in the associations and ignored the importance of clubs along with the needs of adult sport, and hijacked events as fund raisers for the youth teams and other charities, and

lastly, because we as participants were no longer involved in race organisation, we floated away from the club structures and were eager to pay exorbitant entry fees for events with "big" goody bags and hospitality tents.

Yip, clubs are crucial in keeping prices down... (and races are also crucial in keeping clubs going).

 

Cycling used to be a lot like running, but then the race organisers came along, even stole some club events as I recall, and now the clubs are few and far between, volunteering an inconvenience and the whole cycling scene is a lot worse off for it.

 

We must protect the running scene, we have a great thing going 

[Paddaman]

Yip, clubs are crucial in keeping prices down... (and races are also crucial in keeping clubs going).

 

Cycling used to be a lot like running, but then the race organisers came along, even stole some club events as I recall, and now the clubs are few and far between, volunteering an inconvenience and the whole cycling scene is a lot worse off for it.

 

We must protect the running scene, we have a great thing going 

park runs have renewed people's faith in volunteerism (SIC?).  However, it has put some pressure on the clubs as the 5km fun run had by 2005 become a serious income stream. (this also has a good dampening effect on pricing because if race entries become too expensive runners have an option of a park run) However, this has been compensated by a new entry point into running, and many park runners have "graduated" to longer distances like 10km and 21km.  These distances have been reinvigorated partly because of park run. 

Having OMTOM and Comrades at the "long" end does provide the ambitious "park runner" a long (excuse the pun) term goal, which will motivate him to go the distance, through 10, 21 ,32 and 42 km races.  Looking at the calendar, this has not been lost with a large number of 3-1 races hosted in March.

The only space that has been almost over prescribed and uncontrolled is the trail running calendar.    However, the mad distances, rough terrain and limited entries per event has allowed the space to flesh out nicely, without organizers tripping over each other (except maybe in Pretoria?!)  it will be interesting to see how long this will continue before either the athletes or the organisers sit around the table to co-ordinate things.

[Iron]

Dischem was a good wake up call... always is 

Definitely too many pies over the festive season, but it is what it is and I got through pretty comfortably much to my surprise. Look forward to hitting some races a little lighter... officially, back on the wagon I am (said in a cheesy Yoda voice)

 

Good checking you out on the road Mr Winter

 

Well done Iron on your PB, 1:47 in just your third half marathon! I guess that's the advantage of being an athlete   

 

Hope everyone had a good weekend, definitely time to get serious 

Was good to see you Bud,

 

Hope we can hookup at the next one ( not sure whats next for me )

[JuddMan]

Get your distance base up first… but slowly. No more than 10% increase per week. There's an old running adage that to run fast, you first need to run far. Let your muscles, tendons and joints slowly build up the strength they need from long, slow distance runs before you put them through the rigours of intervals and speed work. Good running comes from consistency, and consistency comes from not getting injured.

 

Thanks very much! For a new runner, how many km's should a 'newbie' be racking up in the week? 

[Paddaman]

Thanks very much! For a new runner, how many km's should a 'newbie' be racking up in the week? 

All depends on what distances and speeds you are planning to race, and how frequently you plan to race.

 

Rules of thumb indicate you should your weekly training should be just over twice the distance you plan to race.  Your tempo runs should be about 15-20secs/km slower than race pace and your slow runs about 1 min/km slower than race pace.  You should maintain maximum training km for 3-4 weeks and taper for 1-2 weeks prior to race day.

 

So if you are doing half marathons, a 5-7km distance daily (5 days a week) with a 10-15km long slow run on sat or Sunday should be enough.  Alternate short/fast (5km) with tempo/longer (7km), for example

Mon(7km),

tues(5km)

wed (7km),

thurs (5km)

friday (rest)

Stat (10-15km) and

Sun (7km)

 

For a marathon just double the distances, doing split sessions on tempo days...

Me I just run my commute to work which gives me 14km a day, parkrun on Saturday and club run on Sunday.......

[Barry Stuart]

Thanks very much! For a new runner, how many km's should a 'newbie' be racking up in the week?

That's a bit of a length-of-string question. How many kays are you doing at the moment, and how regularly are you running? What is your goal race/distance?

[Stretch]

Thanks very much! For a new runner, how many km's should a 'newbie' be racking up in the week?

As Barry said..a million variables. On this thread you will have comrades finishers who were doing from 30km per week to 150km per week.. Just depends on the target.

 

But as a guide.. I'm what you would call an experienced runner I guess now... And I'm just running to keep reasonably fit for now and doing between 25 and 35km per week over 3 runs

[JuddMan]

That's a bit of a length-of-string question. How many kays are you doing at the moment, and how regularly are you running? What is your goal race/distance?

 

 

As Barry said..a million variables. On this thread you will have comrades finishers who were doing from 30km per week to 150km per week.. Just depends on the target.

 

But as a guide.. I'm what you would call an experienced runner I guess now... And I'm just running to keep reasonably fit for now and doing between 25 and 35km per week over 3 runs

 

 

All depends on what distances and speeds you are planning to race, and how frequently you plan to race.

 

Rules of thumb indicate you should your weekly training should be just over twice the distance you plan to race.  Your tempo runs should be about 15-20secs/km slower than race pace and your slow runs about 1 min/km slower than race pace.  You should maintain maximum training km for 3-4 weeks and taper for 1-2 weeks prior to race day.

 

So if you are doing half marathons, a 5-7km distance daily (5 days a week) with a 10-15km long slow run on sat or Sunday should be enough.  Alternate short/fast (5km) with tempo/longer (7km), for example

Mon(7km),

tues(5km)

wed (7km),

thurs (5km)

friday (rest)

Stat (10-15km) and

Sun (7km)

 

For a marathon just double the distances, doing split sessions on tempo days...

Me I just run my commute to work which gives me 14km a day, parkrun on Saturday and club run on Sunday.......

 

Thanks very much for the help guys, I really appreciate it.

 

I am currently doing about 10/15km per week (2/3 5km runs). I have run a handful of 10km runs of late and the one 15km.

 

I have two goals presently. I would like to do a sub 30m parkrun (PB is currently on 32m) and would like to do a 21km by April

[Barry Stuart]

thanks for the info man

I've only just read today (though I'm apparently late on the news) that Tom Tom is exiting the wearables market, so I would consider giving them a skip as there's no guarantee of future support and definitely no feature updates.

[Jaws677]

 

Well done to the top four. Serious miles that

[Jaws677]

I managed a sub 2 on the Dischem Sunday . I don’t understand why people go stand in the front only to start walking at the 3km marker.

 

Took it very easy as I’m scared of a injury because I’m still building a base. I’m doing the Johnson Crane marathon end of this month as a comrades qualifier

Hoping for a sub 4 but doubting myself a bit

 

[Jaws677]