Sugar Free

[Raydek]

I love them, just slipped my mind...

 

They remind me of savoury pancakes.

 

To be honest, the rest of the cauli replacements are ***. The caulie rice, pizza bases all taste terrible and stink

 

The think I miss the most is a good ol pizzza (If I am hungover, I will order one )

 

Yeah, they can take some getting used to, but I started using loads of herbs and spices in them and now they are the norm in the household..

[Greybeard]

The success stories make interesting reading. I started with a LC diet a year ago, weighed in at 120kg, weight to-day 97kgs. I cut out mainly sugar, wheat based breads, fizzies, coke fanta etc. Less potato, rice, pasta.

I now find it very easy to stay at my present weight, been like this for six months now. It you still like something sweeter, use Xylitol and for a treat, 70% plus dark chocolate. Joint problems in the past, sleep better, concentrate better, generally a much happier and healthy person. At 62 years I have less physical and mental afflictions than I had in my thirties. A very good receipe book is at EB " Low Carb is Lekker". Most of the success that I have enjoyed is to remove sugar almost entirely from my diet.

[dev null]

Muffins.  Those are killer bites.  So much sugar.  Lucky I broke that addiction.  Now I am on a Thai food addiction.  And wraps from Kauai.  Just had a Hawaiian Chicken wrap. Num num.

[Wayne Potgieter]

So, according to my research (which is a very basic reading of a wiki page )

 

Sucralose (an artificial sweetener) is not absorbed by the human body.

 

So if my logic is correct, this would make it a reasonably "SAFE" alternative to sugar/aspartame/xylitol etc?

[MTBeer]

So, according to my research (which is a very basic reading of a wiki page )

 

Sucralose (an artificial sweetener) is not absorbed by the human body.

 

So if my logic is correct, this would make it a reasonably "SAFE" alternative to sugar/aspartame/xylitol etc?

if I don't know what a word means, I try not to eat it.

[gogo@]

Great topic!

Earlier this year just by chance I read John Yudkin's book "Pure, White and Deadly", originally published in 1972.  A serious eye-opener even though I've read Gary Taubes.

(Have a look at http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5261610-pure-white-and-deadly )

Lustig's work revived interest in Yudkin's work.  The scary part is how Yudkin was vilified for what he published - at a time when he didn't have all the info Lustig et al now have.  The parallels with the tobacco lobby are striking.

I had been cutting down/out a lot of the sugar, especially by watching what's in the stuff you buy (peanut butter, ostrich biltong, CHICKPEAS!!!) but reading this got me to drop the BarOnes etc. big time.

I still eat bread - not supermarket rubbish but made by local people and they put very little sugar in it.

Seriously, try this once you've got used to not eating any sugar for a while: go eat a fat slice of cake (or whatever).  As a "celebration" a couple of months ago, I went out and indulged in what I thought would be a delicious, tasty, well-deserved piece of carrot cake. Wrong!! Wrong, wrong, wrong!

Anyway, once you stop eating/drinking sugary foods, a whole world of tastes opens up and very sweet is what used to be slightly sweet and even that's too much.  I honestly don't miss the chocolate (my worst enemy for years) anymore - get past that by having a small block or two of anything over 70% dark stuff once or twice a week.  That's for the cocoa, not the sugar and other junk they put in to fleece you of your money and health!

The other thing is once you realise what a con the sugar industry is, you look at supermarkets and fast food places etc in a completely different way.  Sugar is the capitalist's greatest ally and most "food" is just an industrial product...

Thanks for the thread Wayne!

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

if I don't know what a word means, I try not to eat it.

LOL. To be fair, that could encompass pretty much everything depending on which label you choose to look at (scientific vs common)

[Wayne Potgieter]

 

Anyway, once you stop eating/drinking sugary foods, a whole world of tastes opens up and very sweet is what used to be slightly sweet and even that's too much.

 

 

Thanks for the thread Wayne!

Thanks.

 

And this is VERY APT.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

So, according to my research (which is a very basic reading of a wiki page )

 

Sucralose (an artificial sweetener) is not absorbed by the human body.

 

So if my logic is correct, this would make it a reasonably "SAFE" alternative to sugar/aspartame/xylitol etc?

Potentially, yes. It's a non-caloric sweetener that only gets partially absorbed by the body (about 8-20% by weight depending on the source) but there is still noise regarding "reduction of gut bacteria" 

 

In short - it's a sweetener, and should be seen as all the others. Potentially better, but still a sweetener.

 

Market name is Stevia. 

[MTBeer]

LOL. To be fair, that could encompass pretty much everything depending on which label you choose to look at (scientific vs common)

true. but you know what I am getting at.

 

broccoli may have some unpronounceable chemicals in it at a molecular level, but it is still just broccoli.

[Wayne Potgieter]

The noncaloric sweeteners stevia and sucralose are both many times sweeter than sugar. Sucralose is made by modifying sucrose (table sugar), and stevia comes from a plant native to South America. While stevia is commonly thought to be safer than artificial sweeteners like sucralose, this may not necessarily be the case.

 

Stevia Background

Although stevia's popularity may be relatively new to the United States, native South Americans have used it as a sweetener for hundreds of years. Stevia is obtained from an herb known as yerba dulce, which is grown in Paraguay, Brazil, Southeast Asia and other places. This sweetener has been praised as a safe and natural sweetener that can be used in place of more controversial artificial sweeteners, such as aspartame, saccharine, cyclamate and sucralose. When stevia was first introduced to the U.S. market, it was only available as a dietary supplement. In 2008, however, stevia became recognized as a GRAS (generally recognized as safe) food substance by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Stevia contains different chemical compounds that make it sweet, including its principal sweetening agent, rebaudioside A. These compounds make stevia about 100 times sweeter than table sugar.

Stevia Safety

Although stevia is assumed safe by many due to its status as a natural sweetener, the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) notes that being natural does not guarantee safety. Both Canadian and U.S. regulatory agencies have rejected stevia in the past. In addition, a European Community scientific panel made the decision that stevia was not an acceptable food additive. Still, the FDA currently deems stevia safe. It is important to follow manufacturer-recommended serving sizes to help avoid side effects, however. According to WebMD, the side effects of stevia can include nausea, bloating, dizziness, muscle pain and numbness.

Sucralose Basics

Sucralose is the only type of artificial sweetener derived from real sugar molecules. It is created by substituting one part of a sugar molecule with chlorine to create a substance that is about 600 times sweeter than sucrose. Sucralose can be used as a replacement for sugar in nearly every kind of food or beverage. This sweetener first received FDA approval in 1998 for specific foods and then again in 1999 as an all-purpose sweetener. Sucralose also differs from other artificial sweeteners in that it passes through the digestive system without being metabolized, which is why it contains no calories.

Sucralose Safety

According to New York University Langone Medical Center, sucralose has been highly scrutinized by regulatory agencies for more than 20 years. More than 100 animal and human studies have led the FDA to the decision that sucralose is safe for human consumption. CSPI, however, has given sucralose a rating of "caution" based on an independent Italian study that found a link between sucralose and leukemia, in mice. CSPI does, however, note that sucralose may be safer than other artificial sweeteners. Columbia University reports that consuming artificial sweeteners can lead to laxative effects, including bloating, gas and diarrhea, in some people. This is why it is important to monitor your intake of artificial sweeteners like sucralose.

 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Here we go - the meta analysis (or a laymans description thereof) - essentially the sugar fires the dopamine, whereas sucralose does not. Therefore whilst going for sucralose laden product, one may tend to eat more to gain the same satiety that one would have had from sugar-laden product.

 

 

Now researchers have shown that sucrose and sucralose affect the brain differently. Sucrose enhances the brain’s dopamine response while sucralose does not, as shown in MRIs of research subjects post consumption.⁵ This may sound like it is a good thing, but in reality it is not. The increase in dopamine is necessary to shut off our food cravings and tell us we are full.Without that dopamine response we will continue to seek out sweet things and this may lead to overeating. This may explain one reason why some research shows that people actually gain weight when they use artificial sweeteners.

 

Again, this does not mean that one Splenda in your coffee in the morning is going to all of a sudden make you a sugar junkie. However, if you have a Splenda in your morning coffee, drink water or other beverages throughout the day that contain sucralose, and have an occasional sweet you may be setting yourself up for over-consuming sugar.

Sucralose and Your Gut Health

Also, if you have an autoimmune disorder or suspected intestinal permeability you may want to avoid sucralose altogether. Another study done on rodents over a twelve-week period showed that sucralose can negatively alter our gut flora. After twelve weeks, these rats showed decreased beneficial bacteria in their feces as well as an increased fecal pH.⁶ Again the poison will be in the dose, but the risk is high enough where anyone with suspected intestinal permeability or autoimmunity issues might want to avoid Splenda entirely.

 

Conclusion

So should we be consuming sucralose? The answer is not so black and white. There are going to be individual differences with tolerance. Those with autoimmunity problems should avoid sucralose altogether, but the rest of us can proceed with caution. Most of the research presented is done on rodents and we really do not know how those will transfer to the human body.

 

We do know that in humans, sucralose can increase plasma glucose and insulin, which makes it a bad idea for those attempting to lose weight or with pre-existing metabolic conditions. If you suffer from food cravings and sugar binges you may also want to avoid sweeteners because they may increase sugar cravings for humans. For the rest of us, focus on eating nutrient-dense real foods and that one Splenda in your coffee per day will not be an issue.

 

References:

 

References:

1. Miller, P. and Perez, V., "Low-calorie sweeteners and body weight and composition: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials and prospective cohort studies."American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2014). Retrieved on June 20, 2014. 

2. Pepino, M, et. al., "Sucralose Affects Glycemic and Hormonal Responses to an Oral Glucose Load." Diabetes Care (2013).  Retrieved on June 20, 2014. 

3. Beeler, J., et. al., "Taste uncoupled from nutrition fails to sustain the reinforcing properties of food." European Journal of Neuroscience (2012). Retrieved on June 20, 2014. 

4. Rada, P, et. al., "Daily bingeing on sugar repeatedly releases dopamine in the accumbens shell." Neuroscience (2005). Retrieved on June 20, 2014. 

5. Frank, GK, et.al., "Sucrose activates human taste pathways differently from artificial sweetener." Neuroimaging (2008). Retrieved on June 21, 2014. 

6. Abou-Donia, MB, et. al., "Splenda alters gut microflora and increases intestinal p-glycoprotein and cytochrome p-450 in male rats." Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health (2008). Retrieved on June 20, 2014.   

[V12man]

i saw somewhere glass of apple juice and  coke are pretty close on sugar count

As is tonic water...... :ph34r:

 

Dinkum.... so that means you can drink coke with your gin..... or you might as well.

 

Fortunately Woolies has a sugar free tonic.... then the argument becomes sweetner vs sugar....

[DIPSLICK]

well, perhaps this will inspire you...

 

My menu today contains :

 

Breakfast

 

1 x espresso (single) no sweetener

1 x 150g yoghurt (homemade)

1x scrambled egg

 

Snack

 

1/2 cucumber 

 

Lunch

 

1 x home cooked portion prawns

1 x salad

 

Afternoon snack

 

other half of cucumber and 1 x grilled chicken breast

 

I dont eat dinner

ARE YOU TRYING TO PREPARE YOUR BODY FOR LOW FOOD INTAKE FOR NEW ZEALAND,,,,bud phone a friend we will send over a donation for food    

[MTBeer]

ARE YOU TRYING TO PREPARE YOUR BODY FOR LOW FOOD INTAKE FOR NEW ZEALAND,,,,bud phone a friend we will send over a donation for food    

they don't eat the sheep in NZ, they love them too much.......

[ChUkKy]

Hardest part for me, cutting my 2 favourite things...

 

http://dash.mediaupdate.co.za/story/image/78638/78638.jpg

and this...

 

http://images.woolworthsstatic.co.za/Dusted-Jelly-Babies-400g-6009184449029.jpg?o=AF1cF7OX0JbcwWa8oJWjvVly4CQj&V=ucEA&

 

Ive been trying hard for the last week and still have leftovers of both of these in plain sight everyday.

Just wanna finsih them to make them go away