DJR Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 The person who can explain to me (properly) how they determine the Beta value of the ((((Time / Winner) – 1) / Beta) x 100) + Penalty equation get a Bells from me.If you race well in a long hard race under difficult conditions, you will score better than if you race shorter easier races under good conditions. (If you ride well in the One Tonner on a windy day, you will score better than of you ride well in the West Coast Express on a windless day.) Well, that's my attempt at explaining it, you weren't looking for a mathematical equation, were you?
American Flyers Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 How can PPA give us penalty, if you don't race for 4/5 months? There is hardly any road race during the winter?? Crap!
Patchelicious Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 If you race well in a long hard race under difficult conditions, you will score better than if you race shorter easier races under good conditions. (If you ride well in the One Tonner on a windy day, you will score better than of you ride well in the West Coast Express on a windless day.) Well, that's my attempt at explaining it, you weren't looking for a mathematical equation, were you? Thats the theory I know, but in reality, they often give higher beta values for easier races. Last year they said the Fastone was harder than the Berge en Dale as an example.... If you have ridden it, you know that aint true
Blue Monster Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I have been watching the site over the last few days to see what the Lost City race beta would be, and then my seeding index as a result.The site was down from last night, and came up again this morning, with the Lost City seeding.The use of only one event for the seeding does happen when results have been added. Usually gets corrected/updated in a few days.
DJR Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Thats the theory I know, but in reality, they often give higher beta values for easier races. Last year they said the Fastone was harder than the Berge en Dale as an example.... If you have ridden it, you know that aint true Oh, that's a simple one to answer, the Beta value they get from sucking very hard on the right thumb of the chairman (from this year they'll be using the CEOs' thumb to make it more hands on)! That way they know the value will always be right!
Patchelicious Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Oh, that's a simple one to answer, the Beta value they get from sucking very hard on the right thumb of the chairman (from this year they'll be using the CEOs' thumb to make it more hands on)! That way they know the value will always be right! Thanks you, the first answer that makes any sort of sense!!
Maniax Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 My first seeding was Z, two years ago when I started cycling. Last year I was seeding in N, and this year in K. Seems the progress is good.
IceCreamMan Posted September 2, 2015 Author Posted September 2, 2015 I see they have added an individual ranking too now so you can see yr ranking within age group, gender and in total. Nice feature that. I am in the top 10 000 hehehe .... just
Thor Buttox Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Nee, hell, two weeks after dropping me to G and a MD, I am now almost an E and a MB. (Without having added any additional races.) The bind moggles....
Patchelicious Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I see they have added an individual ranking too now so you can see yr ranking within age group, gender and in total. Nice feature that. I am in the top 10 000 hehehe .... justCool....... Index is now 5.14 Ranked 312 Overall and 83 in 30-39 Not sure that is very accurate though hahaha
Skubarra Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Thats the theory I know, but in reality, they often give higher beta values for easier races. Last year they said the Fastone was harder than the Berge en Dale as an example.... If you have ridden it, you know that aint true Yes the beta is not always applied consistently, but you have to look at the beta AND the adjusted winners time. Sometimes the beta doesn't look quite right for a race but usually this is offset by a big adjustment in the winners time. So normally the "total" result should be more or less ok. But even though the seeding system is probably a bit flawed, in the long run if you do enough races you will end up in the right group. If you only do 1 or 2 races a year the chances are that that your seeding is a bit whacked.. My current seeding is way beyond current ability (B group), the nice thing about that is I can pick and choose which group I ride in, this Sunday I will dish out some pain in group F
IceCreamMan Posted September 3, 2015 Author Posted September 3, 2015 Cool....... Index is now 5.14 Ranked 312 Overall and 83 in 30-39 Not sure that is very accurate thought hahaha I got a long long long way to go it seems
Pure Savage Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yes the beta is not always applied consistently, but you have to look at the beta AND the adjusted winners time. Sometimes the beta doesn't look quite right for a race but usually this is offset by a big adjustment in the winners time. So normally the "total" result should be more or less ok. But even though the seeding system is probably a bit flawed, in the long run if you do enough races you will end up in the right group. If you only do 1 or 2 races a year the chances are that that your seeding is a bit whacked.. My current seeding is way beyond current ability (B group), the nice thing about that is I can pick and choose which group I ride in, this Sunday I will dish out some pain in group F Ha Ha Ha, Like how you roll!
Patchelicious Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yes the beta is not always applied consistently, but you have to look at the beta AND the adjusted winners time. Sometimes the beta doesn't look quite right for a race but usually this is offset by a big adjustment in the winners time. So normally the "total" result should be more or less ok. But even though the seeding system is probably a bit flawed, in the long run if you do enough races you will end up in the right group. If you only do 1 or 2 races a year the chances are that that your seeding is a bit whacked.. My current seeding is way beyond current ability (B group), the nice thing about that is I can pick and choose which group I ride in, this Sunday I will dish out some pain in group F I understand this all.... If betas are applied correctly, you wouldnt need to adjust any winners times.... Which are often changed again a few weeks later. I am not maoning about the system, I like it, I think its good, and that its all relative to those around you in anycase, so actually makes little difference. In my case I ride in VA, so my seeding is good enough to ride VA almost always, so I'm not bothered by it. I want to know, for interest sake. "how do they decide what beta value to give or how much to adjust the winners time by". The thumb suck seems to be the most honest answer posted so far
City Cycling Athletic Club Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 if you did a decent time in the recent hill climb you would of been bumped up to A. i know of a few riders that are now A. they can climb but will they be able to handle themselves in a bunch at 40 kph??
Niner Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Cool....... Index is now 5.14 Ranked 312 Overall and 83 in 30-39 Not sure that is very accurate though hahahaHow do you see your ranking?
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