Barker Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 By the way the chap laying into the big macs looks like he weighs more than 38 kgs. Maybe...I did not weigh him. lol going with what i am being told. He is extremely skinny.
P.A.K. Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 And here is he today, the Mc donald muncher... What does his meals look like the rest of the day and at home?
VicanZA Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 bunch of buffalo's fight over the last twinkie if you ask me, just enjoy it dont let the guilt get to you. the goal should be to live well, not to live long and suffer(unless you on the pull).
AllAboutRides Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Awesome stuff to read on this topic! Thanks for sharing all the advice and options guys. I'm currently 92kg on the scale, really want to get toned and at least drop to 80-82kg. So many supplements on the market.....my questions: - Does anybody use any supplements?- Phedra Cut / Protein Shake / Ect.?- Quickest way to loose some weight?
Slowbee Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 There is an ideal weight for me and that should be about 85-86 kg's. And I have been at that weight before - but in trying to stay there I realised I would have to give up to much (and not just food). It would mean exercise alot which is time away from the family. I would much rather ride an hour less, gym less to spend time with my family. (I dont know how you guys that go to gym 3 x per week, ride 4 times per week, run a business and then spend time with the family - I just cant seem to fit all that in to my normal day). Life is meant to be enjoyed - yes you can try convince yourself that giving up things is good for you etc etc etc - but I did not want to do that. I simply decided to enjoy those things and accept being about 5 kg over my ideal weight. When I ride a bit more weight goes down - but then when I stop riding weight goes up to 90 kg again. So I am sitting at 90 kg. And I am happy with this. To me this is a sustainable weight that fits in with the things I enjoy and the lifestyle. EDIT: great topic NSBB
Fat Boab Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 The something that changed was your base metabolic rate (pregnancy does this as your body goes into storage mode). So energy in didn't = energy out anymore, and you gained weight. But the rule still applies. Understanding your BMR, and the fact that it changes depending on various factors (pregnancy, muscle mass loss, stress, sickness, etc.) is the key to understanding how many calories you can consume at a given point in order to maintain/lose/gain weight. Such an interesting thread! And basal metabolic rate (BMR) and its variability can often explains our anecdotal view of this oke eats a horse a day and weighs nothing, I look at a twinkie and put on a kilo. Or I used to eat like a horse and now I can't etc. We can't easily measure our BMR - far easier to monitor calorie intake and exercise - so it's easy for BMR to skew our view. There can't be any doubt about conservation of energy, Energy stored = energy consumed - energy expended. BUT energy expended = 'energy exercised' + basal expenditure. So you might be riding further/less than someone else, but you also might have comparative differences in your BMR. Have a read on BMR on Wikipedia and elsewhere. I've pasted the section on BMR variability (The italics and underline around the 10km run section are mine): Causes of individual differences in BMR[edit]The basal metabolic rate varies between individuals. One study of 150 adults representative of the population in Scotland reported basal metabolic rates from as low as 1027 kcal per day (4301 kJ/day) to as high as 2499 kcal/day (10455 kJ/day); with a mean BMR of 1500 kcal/day (6279 kJ/day). Statistically, the researchers calculated that 62.3% of this variation was explained by differences in fat free mass. Other factors explaining the variation included fat mass (6.7%), age (1.7%), and experimental error including within-subject difference (2%). The rest of the variation (26.7%) was unexplained. This remaining difference was not explained by sex nor by differing tissue size of highly energetic organs such as the brain.[11]Differences in BMR have been observed when comparing subjects with the same lean body mass. In one study, when comparing individuals with the same lean body mass, the top 5% of BMRs are 28-32% higher than the lowest 5% BMR.[12] Additionally, this study reports a case where two individuals with the same lean body mass of 43 kg had BMRs of 1075 kcal/day (4.5 MJ/day) and 1790 kcal/day (7.5 MJ/day). This difference of 715 kcal/day (67%) is equivalent to one of the individuals completing a 10 kilometer run every day.[12] However, this study did not account for the sex, height, fasting-state, or body fat percentage of the subjects.
NotSoBigBen Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Hovering around 78 (from that 103.2 10th of March) at the moment but I have been training pretty hard. Had a goal for 94.7 MTB and road which I cracked and now also have a specific goal to reach at the Thaba 24hr ..... At this point the eating plan is pretty much a habit so not too much of a problem, coming into a difficult part of the year though and that will be the 'litmus test' so to speak!
RockCoach Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 DIPS with all due respect 30km is not far enough and you still need to measure your intake. You cannot gain weight by consuming less that you expend. Have you ever seen a hunger striker pick up weight? Back when I was racing I commuted 30km each way from Kempton into Jhb CBD four day per week. Took about a month for the body to adapt and I Lost about 15kgs in 12 weeks then stabilized. I didn't just ride though. I "structured" a program for myself which usually consisted of riding easyish into work (1 hour 05 minutes) and bombing home as fast as possible (+/- 45mins) at well over 40km/h. Slipstreaming busses down Jules Street aided the average speed somewhat... My metabolism went through the roof. I could barely get enough calories in to feed my body to stop losing too much weight. Body fat was sitting at 6-8%. A huge bowl of oats followed egg and toast for brekkie. Sarmies for the day were constructed from a whole loaf of bread. I would take a presliced loaf of brown bread and without marge, smear peanut butter, jam, fish paste, cheese, cream cheese, marmite - then repeat. I was ravenous most of the day. This would only last me the morning as snacks as long as I consumed a bunch of massive bananas between them - bought from the pavement grocer in Marshalltown every day. luckily this got me as far as lunch which was usually a burger or pies. A mid afternoon snack (cant remember what I usually bought) prepared me for the ride home. Dinner just a steak and potatoes or pasta. Of course I was in bed by 08:30 - dead tired. Up at 5:00 to repeat the whole process. This was mid winter in 2001 where temps dipped to -2 in the mornings quite often. Took massive amounts of commitment to get on your bike when the car I there too.
Fisan Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 So many supplements on the market.....my questions:- Does anybody use any supplements?- Phedra Cut / Protein Shake / Ect.?- Quickest way to loose some weight? Loosing quick = gaining quick - like a reverse Lotto win. Losing a healthy amount of weight - and staying there is a long(er) term commitment.
EmptyB Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Back when I was racing I commuted 30km each way from Kempton into Jhb CBD four day per week. Took about a month for the body to adapt and I Lost about 15kgs in 12 weeks then stabilized. I didn't just ride though. I "structured" a program for myself which usually consisted of riding easyish into work (1 hour 05 minutes) and bombing home as fast as possible (+/- 45mins) at well over 40km/h. Slipstreaming busses down Jules Street aided the average speed somewhat... My metabolism went through the roof. I could barely get enough calories in to feed my body to stop losing too much weight. Body fat was sitting at 6-8%. A huge bowl of oats followed egg and toast for brekkie. Sarmies for the day were constructed from a whole loaf of bread. I would take a presliced loaf of brown bread and without marge, smear peanut butter, jam, fish paste, cheese, cream cheese, marmite - then repeat. I was ravenous most of the day. This would only last me the morning as snacks as long as I consumed a bunch of massive bananas between them - bought from the pavement grocer in Marshalltown every day. luckily this got me as far as lunch which was usually a burger or pies. A mid afternoon snack (cant remember what I usually bought) prepared me for the ride home. Dinner just a steak and potatoes or pasta. Of course I was in bed by 08:30 - dead tired. Up at 5:00 to repeat the whole process. This was mid winter in 2001 where temps dipped to -2 in the mornings quite often. Took massive amounts of commitment to get on your bike when the car I there too. You sure you didn't have a tapeworm....
jcza Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Back when I was racing I commuted 30km each way from Kempton into Jhb CBD four day per week. Took about a month for the body to adapt and I Lost about 15kgs in 12 weeks then stabilized. I didn't just ride though. I "structured" a program for myself which usually consisted of riding easyish into work (1 hour 05 minutes) and bombing home as fast as possible (+/- 45mins) at well over 40km/h. Slipstreaming busses down Jules Street aided the average speed somewhat... My metabolism went through the roof. I could barely get enough calories in to feed my body to stop losing too much weight. Body fat was sitting at 6-8%. A huge bowl of oats followed egg and toast for brekkie. Sarmies for the day were constructed from a whole loaf of bread. I would take a presliced loaf of brown bread and without marge, smear peanut butter, jam, fish paste, cheese, cream cheese, marmite - then repeat. I was ravenous most of the day. This would only last me the morning as snacks as long as I consumed a bunch of massive bananas between them - bought from the pavement grocer in Marshalltown every day. luckily this got me as far as lunch which was usually a burger or pies. A mid afternoon snack (cant remember what I usually bought) prepared me for the ride home. Dinner just a steak and potatoes or pasta. Of course I was in bed by 08:30 - dead tired. Up at 5:00 to repeat the whole process. This was mid winter in 2001 where temps dipped to -2 in the mornings quite often. Took massive amounts of commitment to get on your bike when the car I there too. When we were young......
Fat Boab Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Awesome stuff to read on this topic! Thanks for sharing all the advice and options guys. I'm currently 92kg on the scale, really want to get toned and at least drop to 80-82kg. So many supplements on the market.....my questions: - Does anybody use any supplements?- Phedra Cut / Protein Shake / Ect.?- Quickest way to loose some weight? Well I take protein shakes, but principally because I'm a vegetarian so it's a challenge keeping my protein intake up to do muscle-repair etc. Seemingly protein ingestion also assists in satiating you as well? I certainly feel 'fuller' after a shake, but I'd be very wary of using them as a meal-replacement. I have no idea what other supplements do/don't, apart from relieve you of cash. Is your diet, or body, really short of 'stuff' that the supplements can contribute? As for losing weight fast? As said elsewhere, losing involves pushing your net energy balance into deficit. Doing it fast, means increasing the size of the deficit. Doing it too fast, suggests potentially impairing your short-term cycling as you may not have the energy (or glycogen) to turn the pedals! It's a bit like wanting to get better on the bike quickly. It's easy to identify the training program to do it. And if we started it tomorrow, we'd probably break-down (injury etc) by the weekend. Far better to increase gradually, allowing your body to adapt etc. Same with weight loss. I suppose the question is why do you want to lose weight quickly? An upcoming event in mind? Tired of being at 92kg? Impatient personality? Whatever it is, perhaps find a compelling motivation, be it short, medium or long term? I've lost 10kg since last year's 947 - from 94kg. I managed the first 6kg over 6-8 months by increasing my weekly mileage (to +/-1000km a month). And then I plateaued as my alcohol consumption increased - it's my drug of choice. When I dropped alcohol, and reduced mileage but upped intensity (not for weight loss but that's what I wanted my training to be), the other 4kgs came off in a linear fashion over 2 months. It needed real focus - weight check every day, response to weight increase over 2-3 days, portion control etc - but having a target and a date helped keep the focus. Going forward, I'd love to lose some more weight. What's my motivation? Partially vanity I suspect - I now like what I see in the mirror. Also I know that as a 51 yr old male, it's in my interest to avoid chronic lifestyle illnesses. But mainly I revel in the 'new' feeling of what cycling feels like and what doors are now opening for me. Hills are now my friend. Same hill, same gear, an extra 15-20 pedal rpm for the same HR.......now that's an addictive drug! What better mid-term goal do I need to try to revel in, or 'keep the faith' if you prefer, than a hilly event? So if all goes well, I'll be a 2016 Jock Classique debutante weighing in at 80kg. 4 kgs in the next 8 months should be a manageable & realistic target with scope for some wandering off the path, occasional fun (hedonism?) whilst trying to imprint good lifestyle behaviour. (Dr Phil mode off..... )
Slowbee Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Hovering around 78 (from that 103.2 10th of March) at the moment but I have been training pretty hard. Had a goal for 94.7 MTB and road which I cracked and now also have a specific goal to reach at the Thaba 24hr ..... At this point the eating plan is pretty much a habit so not too much of a problem, coming into a difficult part of the year though and that will be the 'litmus test' so to speak!This what I am talking about. I get having goal weight etc etc, but surely the thing would be self control. Allow a mince pie or three, a bit of pudding with the family. Why deny such things...assuming of course you like them. As you said BigBen, its about the long term life style choice and sustainability of it all. I am accepting that I will pick up one or two kg's over christmas - but during the new year when eating and riding return to normal levels then the those extra kg's will come off by themselves.
RockCoach Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 You sure you didn't have a tapeworm.... Can't be sure . Was losing a kilo a week. Bearing in mind I was racing on the weekends too.
Li Mu Bai Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 To my mind, and believe me my wife and her mates get mad at me, losing weight is really not that difficult I mean how to do it is well recognised and most people know that if you 'eat less and poo more' (as copyrighted by Gnarly) you will lose weight. The keeping it off and making it a lifestyle is the hard part ..... many get to their perceived 'goal' weight and then want to go back to some kind of normal diet which, at least to me, is a slippery slope. I have come to terms with the fact that I will need to stay on my current eating plan forever, so I have had to give up lots of stuff but you know what I am OK with that! So what is your strategy to keep it off?Say no to "Ice Cream"
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