intern Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 All you need for any of that is Google, as i posted earlier (but i see it was removed).Everyone assumes there must be a doctor and a pharmacist involved. All you need is a computer and a debit card. This isn't the Tour de France, not every team as a specific doctor and supplier. Gear is flipping easy to come by, so is instruction on how to use pretty much anything. More often than not, the only person who knows there's doping taking place, is the doper.That's not entirely true. I only know/knew DG tangentially, seeing him around at races, but years ago - like 2008, 2009 - there were whispers down at my end of the peloton (the slower end, in other words) about DG's 'lung man' and BS's pharmaceutical cupboard and many other things. People know, because the dopers have open secrets which leak. They don't see it as an issue...but they DO see being caught as an issue and they do everything they can to dampen any open talk about those who are caught. BS's wife is a case in point, she loudly shouted down any talk after dopers were bust, claiming talking about it was 'bad for the sport'. Of course, we all know, talking about it is GOOD for the sport....doing it, perhaps less so.
Rocket-Boy Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Once you know he has been bust for EPO and you read his Instagram timeline, total vom fest. rourkecroeser12 years, a life time of sacrifice, all into 1hr 30min of racing. Thank you to everyone✌ Then you throw that life time away :/The troll in me is really battling not to comment on some of those pics, its just too easy.
Pure Savage Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 The troll in me is really battling not to comment on some of those pics, its just too easy.Some people have already started.. EPO gives you wings...
SwissVan Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 This and the needle thing...it would be funny if it was not actually so sad...
Tumbleweed Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Just wait for the outrage and calls for life bans from the clean riders.... Oh look, another Tumbleweed just blew through. Oi! I never once tested positive....
intern Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Oi! I never once tested positive....That's because nobody tested you for beer!
Tumbleweed Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 That's because nobody tested you for beer! Jury's still out on whether that enhanced my performance, mate :-)
mazambaan Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Regardless it is disappointing and maybe a sign of desperation (competing with "motor bikes"?). When I heard Croeser on TV I thought the only thing he would be done for was aaptwak. But for sure I think you need some "professional" advice to dope or you will get caught. Interesting to know how many tests Croeser passed, when he started etc. I see Baai's point but maybe things are more tricky at the front end in the pro ranks, so you may need your Dr Ferrari. Of course he may claim it is the first time he tried it! It is like cable theft etc; until you bust the merchants, drag them out of plush houses and put them in tjoekie it will carry on.
DJR Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 All you need for any of that is Google, as i posted earlier (but i see it was removed).Everyone assumes there must be a doctor and a pharmacist involved. All you need is a computer and a debit card. This isn't the Tour de France, not every team as a specific doctor and supplier. Gear is flipping easy to come by, so is instruction on how to use pretty much anything. More often than not, the only person who knows there's doping taking place, is the doper.I very much understand that, but somehow that supposedly tightly controlled drug (EPO) made its' way from a pharmaceutical company to an individual. It was stolen / bought / smuggled / prescribed / whatever, by possibly a whole supply chain of people or organisations before it ended up in the cyclists' syringe. At the moment only the cyclists get caught and the others (and there simply has to be others) get off scot free. I think that is wrong.
Skubarra Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I hear you, however, what he did not do, was to give up information on who supplied his EPO, who helped him with the dosages, who taught him how to inject it, who monitored it? I agree with baai'clist. Who says you need a whole sophisticated team to dope? Between google & internet you could probably read & order everything you need. Point is just coming clean won't win you sympathy. Saw the same with BS when he tried to explain on thehub. People are beyond gatvol with the damage done to the sport by the cheaters.
scotty Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 My suggestion would be carrot and stick approach. Life ban if the rider does not give up his suppliers and sources, reduced sentence if he does.
Thor Buttox Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Two issues here: - fraudulent winning of earnings- doping to improve performance. Until they have a worldwide attempt at criminal liability for fraud, as they have in France, with potential jail time, the carrot/stick approach won't work. Even the Pro roadies apparently are ****-scared of going to jail, and their nefarious activities are much more prevalent in countries who aren't as serious. It is fraud, full stop. Treat it like that.
Latent_Blue Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 dopw? or dop? or dope? soos nataniel se eet minder en *** meer. haha ja... ek try, ek try... maar hel bier is sooo lekker!
Guest Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I very much understand that, but somehow that supposedly tightly controlled drug (EPO) made its' way from a pharmaceutical company to an individual. It was stolen / bought / smuggled / prescribed / whatever, by possibly a whole supply chain of people or organisations before it ended up in the cyclists' syringe. At the moment only the cyclists get caught and the others (and there simply has to be others) get off scot free. I think that is wrong.I understand EPO is readily available over the internet. There was an article by a Scottish journalist recently (forget his name), who bought some over the internet and used it(micro dosing) to see how easy it was to get away with it. He took part in races with big improvements and was never suspected.
VeloRacer Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I understand EPO is readily available over the internet. There was an article by a Scottish journalist recently (forget his name), who bought some over the internet and used it(micro dosing) to see how easy it was to get away with it. He took part in races with big improvements and was never suspected.Ive seen that documentary. Its called "Catch me if you can". Its a BBC production He basically bought EPO online and told WADA he is micro-dosing but he still tested negative.
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