johannrissik Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Oh well, a sly attempt at obfuscation. It's all becoming a bit clearer now. Jules and intern 2
BarHugger Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 En hier gaan ons alweer.....amper Friday....
Martin PJ Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 12:19 PM, Lancesball said: So, in other news Jeroen Swart@JeroenSwartJust in case anyone might be a little confused: Ozone therapy given in whatever form has absolutely NO effect on biological passport values. 2:16pm · 21 Jan 2016 · Twitter for iPhone We used ozone to bleach pulp in a paper factory I worked in. It replaced chlorine, but was a bit worse. I cannot see how it could affect blood values, beyond a placebo effect. It may actually do some damage as it is quite reactive. intern 1
Shebeen Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 12:19 PM, Lancesball said: So, in other news @JeroenSwart@JeroenSwartJust in case anyone might be a little confused: Ozone therapy given in whatever form has absolutely NO effect on biological passport values. 2:16pm · 21 Jan 2016 · [url=http://twitter.com/download/iphone]Twitter for iPhone was just listening on cape talk and they had Dr ross tucker in studio. Guess who phones in to clarify an answer to a question ross didn't want to go in too much detail on... Yup jeroen. V12man and Tumbleweed 2
V12man Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 11:50 AM, DJR said: I've only twice in my life walked out of a lecture because I simply couldn't stomach another word of bull**** from an "evangelical preacher"..............both times it was about the use of ozone. Most of the health professions have come to the same conclusion.Lately I hear that the peddlers of ozone are targeting farmers and veterinarians with their miracle cure. Treat the cows and the milk won't go bad, the veal will taste better and have no prohibited drugs in......... And your thoughts on peroxide treatment? #justcurious
Tumbleweed Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:43 PM, my stuff said: was just listening on cape talk and they had Dr ross tucker in studio. Guess who phones in to clarify an answer to a question ross didn't want to go in too much detail on... Yup jeroen. What was the question that Tucker was avoiding? SwissVan 1
V12man Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:08 PM, Lancesball said: I am not saying that EPO wont kill you but you will need a Hct of about 80% or more to actually cause death.80% will probably cause death by a whole host of other complications - heart will struggle to pump that load for sure - it's going to be thicker than SAE100 gearbox oil, and random clotting and DVT's will be a huge issue - definately not advisable. Tumbleweed and intern 2
Spinnekop Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 11:37 AM, my stuff said: because they dope so much they can train more?Nope.Because they (I) have a life and kids and families and have to train harder in order to be faster and fitter. intern 1
Spinnekop Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:20 PM, Tumbleweed said: Since you're all about facts and evidence, how about quoting some to back up how great the effect and reach of this story is. Without them, your post above is only opinion. Ask your average customer who comes into the bike shop on Saturday what he or she thinks about Kevin Evans. Chances are - and this is opinion - most will say "who?" It's funny that you attack the use of anecdote yet roll out plenty of your own.Tumbles.You have to admit......it all depends upon which bike shop. Mine will all know who and what he is. It all Tumbleweed 1
Andrew Steer Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:54 PM, V12man said: 80% will probably cause death by a whole host of other complications - heart will struggle to pump that load for sure - it's going to be thicker than SAE100 gearbox oil, and random clotting and DVT's will be a huge issue - definately not advisable. Isn't 50 hematocrit the safety mark? Riis was famous for being up near 60 at the peaks of his prowess...
Guest Lancesball Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:20 PM, Tumbleweed said: Since you're all about facts and evidence, how about quoting some to back up how great the effect and reach of this story is. Without them, your post above is only opinion. Ask your average customer who comes into the bike shop on Saturday what he or she thinks about Kevin Evans. Chances are - and this is opinion - most will say "who?" It's funny that you attack the use of anecdote yet roll out plenty of your own. Evidence in the support and outcries? Please go read the Rourke, David George and Brandon threads on their positives, read twitter posts by people, facebook etc. There is proof. I dont attack anything, dont fabric stuff up cause you now being questioned, not agreed with or challenged on a post. There is a huge difference. Who's attacking who now??
Guest Lancesball Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 1:48 PM, Tumbleweed said: What was the question that Tucker was avoiding? How come you get fat ( ok, put on weight during a stage race) He couldnt asnwer that. It even suprised my boyfriend that he didn't know this.
BarHugger Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Steer said: Isn't 50 hematocrit the safety mark? Riis was famous for being up near 60 at the peaks of his prowess... Riis is the dirtiest of the lot.... intern 1
Tumbleweed Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) On 1/21/2016 at 2:22 PM, Lancesball said: Evidence in the support and outcries? Please go read the Rourke, David George and Brandon threads on their positives, read twitter posts by people, facebook etc. There is proof. I dont attack anything, dont fabric stuff up cause you now being questioned, not agreed with or challenged on a post. There is a huge difference. Who's attacking who now?? So you're sticking with "poop load" then? Cool. Edited January 21, 2016 by Tumbleweed
jcza Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Steer said: Isn't 50 hematocrit the safety mark? Riis was famous for being up near 60 at the peaks of his prowess... Its a benchmark and if the team is a member of MPCC riders won't be allowed to start. They call it a health check, however, a number of riders apparently are born with higher levels and others are thought to dope up to that level. DG fell foul of this while riding in Europe years back. Andrew Steer 1
V12man Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 2:21 PM, Andrew Steer said: Isn't 50 hematocrit the safety mark? Riis was famous for being up near 60 at the peaks of his prowess... Well - 50 is the limit UCI has set - never ever seen anyone with a 50 naturally.... they may be out there, but they are few and far between. I have never seen a study on a safe limit - not sure that would pass an ethics comittee as a study proposal - I will ask around in cardiology next time I see someone. intern and Andrew Steer 2
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