Another one tests positive!!!

[BDF]

I would be worried that such a thread could become a doping how to thread and not purely an educational one. And regardless of the aforementioned there will still be a chance that that thread would be seen as ok'ing the use of ped's. Not saying there isn't a place for a healthy discussion about such things but I am saying be careful of the pitfalls.

 

I guess that would be the risk of any kind of education regarding banned substances. (banned in cycling in this context).

How would you suggest one could obviate or at least mitigate these 2 possible negative outcomes?

[andydude]

I was wondering why there were no excuses... until now

 

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/alberto-gallego-blames-laboratory-contamination-for-doping-positive-209083

 

Former Caja Rural rider Alberto Gallego says insists he has never taken Stanzolol, having failed a test of the metabolite of testosterone.

 

Spanish cyclist Alberto Gallego, who failed an anti-doping test three days into his professional career, blamed contamination yesterday for his positive result.

 

Edit: And the clincher (excuse the cycling pun) "I’m a victim"

[Mntboy]

 

 

I guess that would be the risk of any kind of education regarding banned substances. (banned in cycling in this context).

How would you suggest one could obviate or at least mitigate these 2 possible negative outcomes?

By continually reminding the participants in the discussion that the aim is to educate on the dangers of the use of ped's and that their use to enhance performances is not encouraged at all because of the associated health risks and that because ped use is being discussed doesn't morally ok their use. Have it be a part of the first post and have a huge disclaimer in the thread heading and some strict moderation on the discussion in order to remain on point concerning acceptable ethics for both our sport and the Bike Hub. Basically keep the focus of the discussion very narrow - on how ped's affect the body long term and why it should be avoided.

[Garamundege Mugabe]

I would be worried that such a thread could become a doping how to thread and not purely an educational one. And regardless of the aforementioned there will still be a chance that that thread would be seen as ok'ing the use of ped's. Not saying there isn't a place for a healthy discussion about such things but I am saying be careful of the pitfalls.

Ignorance is always an issue when it comes to lifestyle and health choices. Sorry to hear about your problems and I hope you and the doc's can remedy it. However what I am confused by is that you are ok with recreational usage of ped's but not ok with it's usage by elite athletes. Would you care to explain the difference as your stance seems illogical given your history? Genuinely interested in knowing.

yes, I guess my stance is a bit contradictory. I'm too old to be dogmatic and judge others - made too many mistakes myself.. Is there a difference between the recreational dude, who accepts he's running/riding/weight-lifting only against himself, has no pretense to competitive status, or places, and is only concerned with his own 'personal best' - versus the pro or serious competitor? I think there is. Does anyone care if I finish 10th from last or no. 15011th in the Argus? No one gives a tinker's damn.  The pro's - that's a whole higher world than ours, huge stakes involved. I do know once you've entered the PED world, going back is very hard. I suspect that's what happened to Lance. I believe in freedom of choice in all things. Your life, your body, you decide - Karma's unforgiving, and you're paying after all, as I am now.. I've never used PED's for a competitive advantage - as I've tried to explain here, steroids don't help in endurance. Don't know if that makes any sense..

['Dale]

Bold disclosures, Garamundega'

Albeit anonymous

Certainly adds value to the topic

[Garamundege Mugabe]

I would be worried that such a thread could become a doping how to thread 

I think it would be more likely to discourage guys from doping. Some more real-world facts: my present Free Testosterone level is 189ng/dl. That's dangerously low, according to the Pathcare lab which did the test  I've tried the strongest post-steroid protocols - including 'off-label', scheduled drugs, all with their own side effects (one of which is suicidal depression), none paid for by medical aid, for obvious reasons.. cost Rthousands, with legal risks involved in getting and possessing scheduled drugs without a prescription. I'm probably sterile. I have no realistic hope of recovering my natural test production. My sentence will be a reduced quality of life, for the rest of my life. To those who say HRT is ok - I say, try it...

Respect your own testicles guys, seriously..

[Mntboy]

 

 

yes, I guess my stance is a bit contradictory. I'm too old to be dogmatic and judge others - made too many mistakes myself.. Is there a difference between the recreational dude, who accepts he's running/riding/weight-lifting only against himself, has no pretense to competitive status, or places, and is only concerned with his own 'personal best' - versus the pro or serious competitor? I think there is. Does anyone care if I finish 10th from last or no. 15011th in the Argus? No one gives a tinker's damn. The pro's - that's a whole higher world than ours, huge stakes involved. I do know once you've entered the PED world, going back is very hard. I suspect that's what happened to Lance. I believe in freedom of choice in all things. Your life, your body, you decide - Karma's unforgiving, and you're paying after all, as I am now.. I've never used PED's for a competitive advantage - as I've tried to explain here, steroids don't help in endurance. Don't know if that makes any sense..

Actually does make sense. I think I am used to more black and white type thinking rather than shades of grey where it concerns doping/ped use. My view, more especially with the pro athlete's is that ped use, whether to enhance performance or help drop BF % to aid performance is that it leads to sporting fraud. Basically the public being intentionally misled over how the end result was achieved. As for amateur athlete's I guess to each his own but personally I won't use ped's or 'roids because of the associated health risk and I'd definitely counsel others to avoid using it as well. Props to you for being honest and open about this and being willing to have your say.

[Mntboy]

 

 

I think it would be more likely to discourage guys from doping. Some more real-world facts: my present Free Testosterone level is 189ng/dl. That's dangerously low, according to the Pathcare lab which did the test I've tried the strongest post-steroid protocols - including 'off-label', scheduled drugs, all with their own side effects (one of which is suicidal depression), none paid for by medical aid, for obvious reasons.. cost Rthousands, with legal risks involved in getting and possessing scheduled drugs without a prescription. I'm probably sterile. I have no realistic hope of recovering my natural test production. My sentence will be a reduced quality of life, for the rest of my life. To those who say HRT is ok - I say, try it...

Respect your own testicles guys, seriously..

Yowzers hectic dude. Has the doc's indicated whether such low testosterone levels could potentially lead to, very scarily, testicular cancer?

 

Sheesh getting schooled this arvie. The issue is obviously more complex than I had thought, and I thought it complex to start off with.

[DIPSLICK]

I have mentioned before in other threads as Mugabe is trying to explain , recreational bodybuilding i.e. The average non competing body builder who is not looking to win or enter any form of competition, steroids is much more common and it's not frowned upon as much(at that level) as it is in cycling,

He is saying as a youngster he made *** calls, not 100% understanding the effects and this has come back years down the line to bite him in the ass,,,,,he is not alone and daily the numbers grow.

Lots of Knights out again from what I take from his posts is that of warning

Until you have low T levels you only think you know the side effects, take the time look it up, non are fun

[Thor Buttox]

I have mentioned before in other threads as Mugabe is trying to explain , recreational bodybuilding i.e. The average non competing body builder who is not looking to win or enter any form of competition, steroids is much more common and it's not frowned upon as much(at that level) as it is in cycling,

He is saying as a youngster he made *** calls, not 100% understanding the effects and this has come back years down the line to bite him in the ass,,,,,he is not alone and daily the numbers grow.

Lots of Knights out again from what I take from his posts is that of warning

Until you have low T levels you only think you know the side effects, take the time look it up, non are fun

I have the same symptoms and I've never used a PED in my life. My brain doesn't do it's regulating job and doesn't signal properly to produce the right levels of testosterone. Getting old... But not that rare, apparently. And other than my sense of humour, which my doc says is a chromosome deficiency, I am relatively OK, and will probably have a healthy head of hair all my life. Gotta see the bright side. The drugs to fix the problem would result in the same/similar side-effects as Gara described, so I just thought, **** it, I'll live with what I have.

 

I think the more info is out there the better, and good on Gara for sharing.

[DIPSLICK]

I have the same symptoms and I've never used a PED in my life. My brain doesn't do it's regulating job and doesn't signal properly to produce the right levels of testosterone. Getting old... But not that rare, apparently. And other than my sense of humour, which my doc says is a chromosome deficiency, I am relatively OK, and will probably have a healthy head of hair all my life. Gotta see the bright side. The drugs to fix the problem would result in the same/similar side-effects as Gara described, so I just thought, **** it, I'll live with what I have.

I think the more info is out there the better, and good on Gara for sharing.

Low testosterone is more common than most think, and most men have issues discussing it so the figures are still no where near correct, and apparently year on year levels are dropping,,,

[Wayne Potgieter]

Low testosterone is more common than most think, and most men have issues discussing it so the figures are still no where near correct, and apparently year on year levels are dropping,,,

Especially after 40.

 

T levels start dropping like mad.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for men in this situation. While society accepts female hormonal issues quite easily, for some reason men have a stigma about talking about these things as dips points out, i think it is far more common than most men realise.

[SwissVan]

Low testosterone is more common than most think, and most men have issues discussing it so the figures are still no where near correct, and apparently year on year levels are dropping,,,

 

I blame Xbox and all these modern gadgets we fiddle and swipe with our thumbs and fingers....boys are no longer becoming men stuff, oh yes and also no conscription and corporal punishment is taking its toll on the male species....

 

Ok just kidding, well a little bit

 

 

You go Mugabe, i for one value reading your experiences with doping

Knowledge is power

[DIPSLICK]

I know my dads grandad said the same to him and generations before them, but hell all you have to do is look around and it's clear as day, they were just built differently a few generations ago

[Thor Buttox]

I blame Xbox and all these modern gadgets we fiddle and swipe with our thumbs and fingers....boys are no longer becoming men stuff, oh yes and also no conscription and corporal punishment is taking its toll on the male species....

 

Ok just kidding, well a little bit

 

 

You go Mugabe, i for one value reading your experiences with doping

Knowledge is power

Nah, definitely not an Xbox. and I'm not sure about the hormones in milk, either. After very recently discovering all manner of things wrong going right back to birth which I have never known about (nothing too serious, and I can still get my KOM's!), I am very sensitive to the fragility of a quality of life. 20 years of minor, and some major, pain in my back, most of which I probably caused myself. As an aside, 20 years ago I put in 15kg in the gym without any help other than a stupidly demanding program that I adopted from my main sport that I had stopped due to injury. But I did it in two years, not 2 months- and probably caused more back and joint issues than I needed to. Playing squash didn't help either.

 

I think If anything is to blame for the PED'S it's the quick-fix, short attention span generation - OK, maybe it is the Xbox after all.

 

and all that muscle gaining and associated pain was such a waste. Thanks to cycling I am back to where I was at 18. The cycles of life run down diverse trails.

[Beefy]

Yoh, yoh, yoh.

 

Personally, I stick to good food and drink - mostly stuff like meat, eggs, fish, vegetables and fruit, and I drink a span of fruit juice and sweet tea and coffee which is hell on my teeth. No supplements or vitamins or pills of any sort. I remember my Epic partner the one year asking about my recovery supplements, I waved my bottle of choccie milk at him and said 'this is the recovery juice, buddy'. When I did Cape Pioneer with Ro Exelby he was on a similar 'regime'; after each stage, we'd go find a shop and buy a litre of milk each for recovery peppose.

 

And with that gruelling routine, I'd say I'm a reasonably good bike rider when I have been training assiduously.

I think that we have different definitions of good food and drink. There doesn't appear to be beer or wine in your routine.