Sparkling mineral water PH? What are they feeding us?

[Skott5]

I'll take it.

 

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[DJR]

..............Then there are okies like me ...................... I want a long , full and healthy life so I try to balance it all up and do what makes the most sense at the time. ..................

Personally, I think this bit is the secret. Balancing it all as well as possible. Looking at your whole life, all aspects of it, long term, and get all the parts in balance. Work, stress, family, holiday, sport, hobbies, interests, food, exercise, drink, medication, soul, spirit, you name it. If you can do that most of the time, I think you will achieve your goal. (All within your genetic envelope of course.)

[V12man]

Personally, I think this bit is the secret. Balancing it all as well as possible. Looking at your whole life, all aspects of it, long term, and get all the parts in balance. Work, stress, family, holiday, sport, hobbies, interests, food, exercise, drink, medication, soul, spirit, you name it. If you can do that most of the time, I think you will achieve your goal. (All within your genetic envelope of course.)

Genetics play a huge part in longevity - so if you want to live longer then pick your parents carefully...

 

personally I dont think long life is the be all and end all of this deal - a good life counts for more - I defiantly dont want to operate at half speed for 40 years dying a slow death... rather go out quickly at 70 odd - living longer is for old people...

[EmptyB]

Tap water....8 glasses a day is what I keep hearing.

 

How big is a glass though....

[slickandtyred]

Glass half full or half empty?

Measured from the bottom or the top?

[Reden]

There are many, many shades of grey in medicine. Ask your doctor when they prescribe an antibiotic for flu...why? What are you treating? Maybe they'll say something like preventing bacterial pneumonia, but most times we are on the rebound already and just need to rest and recover.

 

But there many things where there is just no evidence or severely lacking oversight (eg the anti-vaccination brigade). Discerning people will be able to tell the difference if they can abandon any agenda and view it through the same lens as you - trying to live a long life.

I stand corrected on the PH of Valpre earlier.

It should be 4,7.

 

My father in-law is a GP.

 

You will die if one gets your heart rate over 140bpm.

All these additives in energy drinks are harmful for you.

[MTBeer]

I stand corrected on the PH of Valpre earlier.

It should be 4,7.

 

My father in-law is a GP.

 

You will die if one gets your heart rate over 140bpm.

All these additives in energy drinks are harmful for you.

then I should have been dead a long time ago...

[JXV]

We started with pH of sparkling water and got sidetracked into gout and others pretty quickly.

 

Low pH of sparkling water is due to the carbon dioxide added to make it fizzy. CO2 forms a mixture of carbonic acid, carbonates and bicarbonates in water with proportions heavily influenced by the mineral content. You should not be drinking only sparkling water.

 

If you live in any large metropolitan area in SA and many of the larger towns, and some of the smaller ones, the tap water is safe to drink although the taste may vary from region to region.

 

Bottled mineral waters are not chlorinated and thus are not protected from microbiological contamination that could occur after the disinfection step (usually irradiation with UV but sometimes barrier methods like UF or RO are also used) in the bottling process. Our SABS accredited lab at work has measured surprising microbiological contents in some brands in the past and I personally place far more trust in a properly chlorinated municipal supply.

 

If you use popular under-counter filters on your tap water be aware that many of these remove the chlorine that provides residual protection against microbial contamination so you must be disciplined about keeping the tap clean and about changing filter cartridges at recommended intervals. Activated carbon filters are excellent bug incubators.

 

Regarding the wayer analysis that BDF posted from Rand Water - that all looked perfectly safe and healthy to me as a professional in that field.

 

Note that water authorities in SA DO NOT put fluoride in our municipal water. It is too expensive, wasteful and too ineffective as a protection measure against dental caries in adolescents (only benefit). The amounts of fluoride measured in those Rand Water results are normal background levels that are, in fact, too low to be beneficial to your health. There is much more fluoride in dietary sources and toothpaste. Some parts of the country do have naturally high fluoride levels in ground waters and surface waters that can lead to mottling of teeth (and worse). Common problem in NW parts of the country and treatment in these areas sometimes includes measures to remove fluoride. The popular conspiracy theory that fluoride is added to your water as a societal mind control measure is pure hokum of the most hilarious kind.

 

Anybody wanting to know more...pm me with your contaminant of concern

 

 

 

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[MTBeer]

We started with pH of sparkling water and got sidetracked into gout and others pretty quickly.

 

Low pH of sparkling water is due to the carbon dioxide added to make it fizzy. CO2 forms a mixture of carbonic acid, carbonates and bicarbonates in water with proportions heavily influenced by the mineral content. You should not be drinking only sparkling water.

 

If you live in any large metropolitan area in SA and many of the larger towns, and some of the smaller ones, the tap water is safe to drink although the taste may vary from region to region.

 

Bottled mineral waters are not chlorinated and thus are not protected from microbiological contamination that could occur after the disinfection step (usually irradiation with UV but sometimes barrier methods like UF or RO are also used) in the bottling process. Our SABS accredited lab at work has measured surprising microbiological contents in some brands in the past and I personally place far more trust in a properly chlorinated municipal supply.

 

If you use popular under-counter filters on your tap water be aware that many of these remove the chlorine that provides residual protection against microbial contamination so you must be disciplined about keeping the tap clean and about changing filter cartridges at recommended intervals. Activated carbon filters are excellent bug incubators.

 

Regarding the wayer analysis that BDF posted from Rand Water - that all looked perfectly safe and healthy to me as a professional in that field.

 

Note that water authorities in SA DO NOT put fluoride in our municipal water. It is too expensive, wasteful and too ineffective as a protection measure against dental caries in adolescents (only benefit). The amounts of fluoride measured in those Rand Water results are normal background levels that are, in fact, too low to be beneficial to your health. There is much more fluoride in dietary sources and toothpaste. Some parts of the country do have naturally high fluoride levels in ground waters and surface waters that can lead to mottling of teeth (and worse). Common problem in NW parts of the country and treatment in these areas sometimes includes measures to remove fluoride. The popular conspiracy theory that fluoride is added to your water as a societal mind control measure is pure hokum of the most hilarious kind.

 

Anybody wanting to know more...pm me with your contaminant of concern

 

 

 

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there's far too much common sense on The Hub these days...

[tombeej]

So there are labels for all the health related industry people depending on who you are:

 

Medical professionals: labelled as people who spend little time studying nutrition and are the main source of prescribing the wares of the pharmaceutical companies. "We are the real scientists"

 

So called Alternative health practitioners: Labelled as quack doctors by the Medical professionals, also labelled as in it for profiteering off quack products they try and vend. "We are the real scientists"

 

Then there are okies like me who try and sift through endless reams of fact, fiction, vain postulation, and the like. I am for sure no pseudo scientist, scientist, doctor or nutritionist but as I said, I want a long , full and healthy life so I try to balance it all up and do what makes the most sense at the time. This is, what makes sense today has sometimes proven to be a load of crap later. But I guess we must adapt to the best knowledge we have at the time. If we make mistakes along the way, we can only hope they are not permanently detrimental. We must concede and change though because if we doggedly stick to our views that are wrong views, we do so to our own hurt.

 

My Dad was unfortunately like that. With respect to the medical professionals that he consulted, they just diagnosed and prescribed. They did not cure any of his ailments, they just managed the symptoms with drugs.

 

I'm sorry but I don't think that is right.

 

Crap, I though shut up for the rest of the day. I may well be inviting a beating soon!

  :offtopic:  Again - SORRRRYYYY 

 

There are good lawyers and bad lawyers. Doesn't mean that the law is the problem.

 

There are good electricians and bad electricians. Doesn't mean that electricity is the problem.

 

There are good doctors and bad doctors. Doesn't mean that modern medicine is the problem.

[Thermophage]

In the case of flouride, you have more in your toothpaste than you ingest from drinking water. 

 

Also - the dose makes the poison. Otherwise we'd all have died as soon as we ate an apple (cyanide) or some tuna (mercury) or coffee (caffeine) or even plain old H20, or as soon as you got into the pool. Yes, water is poisonous if you drink enough of it. And caffeine is more poisonous than glyphosate, by weight. 

People...there is a HUGE difference between fluoride and fluorine! The element, fluorine will strip electrons like a madman and generally is not good to be around. Fluoride already has some extra electrons and is waaaaaaay less reactive. Don't let the hippie bs confuse ya

Way too much mis-information on the interwebs about these things by people who've not even done high school chem

[Thor Buttox]

I stand corrected on the PH of Valpre earlier.

It should be 4,7.

 

My father in-law is a GP.

 

You will die if one gets your heart rate over 140bpm.

All these additives in energy drinks are harmful for you.

Nooit bud. If your HR is an issue, use the normal quack method : clearly your blood is in the way. Lance with leaches, and dilute with alcohol and call me in the morning.

[tombeej]

Ah yes, my favourite people. The modern pseudo scientists, conspiracy theory internet bloggers, and the bored housewives who get all their scientific knowledge from their bridge mates and Cosmo magazine. The purveyors of 'the absolute truth'.

 

Our bodies have evolved over millions of years to eat (and drink) a varied range of foods without keeling over and dying at the slightest provocation. Remember that as a species we've only been afforded the luxury of clean drinking water in the last few decades at most. In the million or so other years we drank from rivers and lakes (and even from stagnant pools, if that's what was available). And we thrived as a species.

 

Why is that? Well besides our incredible immune system, our digestive tract is specifically designed to handle a very wide range of pH food/drink.

 

If you eat/drink something acidic, your body automatically adjusts to get back to the correct pH. Same with alkaline water - makes absolutely no difference to your body - it will immediately just secrete more hydrochloric acid into the gut to get the pH down to where it wants it to be. So drinking alkaline water for 'health benefits' is an utter waste of time. Similarly, this fear of 'acidic' water is based on just

 

Here's an article called 'pH Paranoia' which lays out quite nicely this whole alkaline/acid water myth.

 

“Say no to alkaline water, it’s a scam. Your body is designed to adjust to its optimal pH balance no matter what you ingest. For instance, once alkaline water enters your stomach, your body simply pours in greater amounts of acid to neutralize it.”

Dr. Bob Arnot, MD

[tombeej]

The Alkaline Diet Myth: An Evidence-Based Review

[tombeej]

Chris Kesser has written these two very good articles on the subject as well:

 

The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1

 

The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 2

[Stretch]

i drink what i have always drunk and eat what I have always ate. People pay far too much attention to diet thinking that diet is the most important thing in a healthy lifestyle...wheras nothing surpasses activity and sleep.

 

I have met people taking bottled water to the drakensberg!