Fat Boab Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I hope we have all the answers we need by this weekend. We are going to have a fat jol of a ride and hopefully talk about all sorts of nonsense. I don't want to have a seven hour moan about the Le'Tape organisers. Let's hope the only solution for you, in this regard, isn't....cycle faster.
blondeonabike Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Okay it took me seven hours last time..ha ha.but we started in howick and then I got lost on the loop and took a wrong turn and ended up halfway to giants castle. I'm not leading this weekend. Everyone can relax;)
TALUS Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Summary: CTCT - good guys keeping your entry feeL'Etape SA - bad guys refunding your entry feeVery ironic indeed. Nevertheless the trend has been set. I will have to re-evaluate all my planned races. I will not be paying well in advance anymore. I am tired of non-refundable accomodation and transport costs. Non-refundable events also starting to taste bitter.
TALUS Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I love it when people start businesses in order to partake in a upside but refuse to carry the accompanying risk. A gap for an insurer?
Patchelicious Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 A gap for an insurer?I think it's more of an opportunity for an ethical, honest, good event organizer to sprout up.
rattlesnake Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 This doesn't help my efforts to ease the pain some of the participants are expressing on this forum...
hilton_ Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I think it's more of an opportunity for an ethical, honest, good event organizer to sprout up. Was chatting to a mate about this over the weekend... Aside from ASG (who have become very good at co-opting events alongside their own), there isn't anyone else at scale. The number of 'indie' road races are dwindling (cause or consequence?). Competition would be good.
Skubarra Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Very ironic indeed. Nevertheless the trend has been set. I will have to re-evaluate all my planned races. I will not be paying well in advance anymore. I am tired of non-refundable accomodation and transport costs. Non-refundable events also starting to taste bitter. There is a difference for me, the good guys actually had issues beyond their control -weather, fires, social unrest. The bad guys didn't do their job. If the Argus gets cancelled because the organisers forgot to organise route permissions I would also want my money back. To add - but yes, a guaranteed money back if something goes wrong would definitely be a desirable feature when I have to opt between races given the recent history of cancellations
V12man Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Very ironic indeed. Nevertheless the trend has been set. I will have to re-evaluate all my planned races. I will not be paying well in advance anymore. I am tired of non-refundable accomodation and transport costs. Non-refundable events also starting to taste bitter. A gap for an insurer?A plan is being formulated....
carbon29er Posted March 28, 2017 Author Posted March 28, 2017 Imagine the premium for insuring an event where the insurer has no input on the organisation. Add in participant insurance where the participant is unable to participate in an event due to genuine medical reasons and you could have a winner. What springs to mind is a crash 2 weeks out from the Epic and a fractured clavicle or like. Very expensive crash. Or 2 weeks out from the CTCT. As happened to me in 2016. Event cancellation insurance is for the organiser as a business expense. It should not be for the participant to cover the organisers greed. Whether or not that greed is for charitable purposes or own profit. As jcza rightly points out because your money is kept by a business that donates half of it's profit to charity through Rotary it's ok in the mind of people to keep the money when what they have sold does not happen. But when a private operator tries to set up something special in a new road race where the market is desperately crying out for new road races and fails the consensus is completely against the organiser keeping the cash. Contradiction much? And a massive dose of hypocrisy. The best scam is a charity scam. People get blinded by do gooders.
Skubarra Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Event cancellation insurance is for the organiser as a business expense. It should not be for the participant to cover the organisers greed. Whether or not that greed is for charitable purposes or own profit. That does not make sense? You cover your expenses with your income. The participants entry fees are a main source of your income, so by default the participants would cover the cost of the insurance along with the other expenses including the organisers "greed". If people want refunds based on insurance taken out by organisers, events will be more expensive, that is the trade-off.
Frosty Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Imagine the premium for insuring an event where the insurer has no input on the organisation. Add in participant insurance where the participant is unable to participate in an event due to genuine medical reasons and you could have a winner. What springs to mind is a crash 2 weeks out from the Epic and a fractured clavicle or like. Very expensive crash. Or 2 weeks out from the CTCT. As happened to me in 2016. Event cancellation insurance is for the organiser as a business expense. It should not be for the participant to cover the organisers greed. Whether or not that greed is for charitable purposes or own profit. As jcza rightly points out because your money is kept by a business that donates half of it's profit to charity through Rotary it's ok in the mind of people to keep the money when what they have sold does not happen. But when a private operator tries to set up something special in a new road race where the market is desperately crying out for new road races and fails the consensus is completely against the organiser keeping the cash. Contradiction much? And a massive dose of hypocrisy. The best scam is a charity scam. People get blinded by do gooders.CycleSure offer exactly that, up to R10k if you are injured before the event, and a few other "emergencies", as well as theft. Claims for accommodation, travel costs and race entry fees - up to the R10k max.
Frosty Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Was chatting to a mate about this over the weekend... Aside from ASG (who have become very good at co-opting events alongside their own), there isn't anyone else at scale. The number of 'indie' road races are dwindling (cause or consequence?). Competition would be good. On what scale would you define "anyone else"?Assume you're talking road events? I'll add my list of non-ASG events and the number of entries at each one, once you reply.
Gen Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 CycleSure offer exactly that, up to R10k if you are injured before the event, and a few other "emergencies", as well as theft. Claims for accommodation, travel costs and race entry fees - up to the R10k max.Interesting, I didn't know that. Learn something new every day
Frosty Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Interesting, I didn't know that.Learn something new every dayI posted it on one of the Cycle Tour threads edit: this one
Gen Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I posted it on one of the Cycle Tour threads edit: this one Cool thx... I didn't really follow the CTCT as I didn't enter. At least it is some sort of cover if something happened.
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