Mtb sram vs shimano

[Christofison]

I like this thread... It started out as a product war then turned into a discussion on what I think is a pretty hot topic.

 

1x is definitely fantastic if you ride places like Jonkers and Tokai and enjoy throwing some shapes on the mountain. With the range on the new stuff, being able to run a bigger chainring and still have a bail out gear of around 0.72 (think 36/50 or 34/46) is standard.

 

I do however put 20 gears on my bike when I go out into the wilderness for an expedition race. Riding with a 10kg pack on legs that have carried you over mountains with little to no sleep inbetween legs is grueling. I tried to ride 1x this year and I hated it. 2018 in the Cederberg with have bail out granny of 22 teeth and a big gravel ring of 38 which makes the loong miles a little easier to tick away while falling asleep on the bike!

 

Both systems definitely have their place. It would be silly to do away with the tech entirely, but maybe downscaling the 55 ranges of it would be a good start. It doesn't need to come in XTR/XT/Deore and and and... make it and XT add on, make 2 different 11-36 cassettes and move on.

Make sure your rear derailleur can handle the 16 tooth difference between the front rings. Medium cage 2x10 has a recommended maximum of 14 teeth.

[porqui]

What would Rouxtjie say ?

[lechatnoir]

To answer your questions is simple.

It's about trust and reliability.

 

Only if you have a stick in one hand and a lever in the other, with some super charged creature on the other end will you understand. For me there is only one option. Until the other manufacturer can offer this, would I reconsider.

 

 

Picture below will answer your question

 

SRAM makes marlins now? that's truly incredible!!

 

btw, I hope you put it back

[Tothehills]

SRAM makes marlins now? that's truly incredible!!

 

btw, I hope you put it back

Its even more remarkable that it was caught by Shimano   

We tried to release it, but it was cross chained, lacked gear ratios, problems with down shifting, and just too bloody expensive to replace so we were left with a 1x option unfortunately. 

[Showtime]

What would Rouxtjie say ?

 

 

SRAM can neither confirm nor deny that the GX-1000 crankset is internally known as the Rouxtjie.

[Alastair_S1D]

I like this thread... It started out as a product war then turned into a discussion on what I think is a pretty hot topic.

 

1x is definitely fantastic if you ride places like Jonkers and Tokai and enjoy throwing some shapes on the mountain. With the range on the new stuff, being able to run a bigger chainring and still have a bail out gear of around 0.72 (think 36/50 or 34/46) is standard.

 

I do however put 20 gears on my bike when I go out into the wilderness for an expedition race. Riding with a 10kg pack on legs that have carried you over mountains with little to no sleep inbetween legs is grueling. I tried to ride 1x this year and I hated it. 2018 in the Cederberg with have bail out granny of 22 teeth and a big gravel ring of 38 which makes the loong miles a little easier to tick away while falling asleep on the bike!

 

Both systems definitely have their place. It would be silly to do away with the tech entirely, but maybe downscaling the 55 ranges of it would be a good start. It doesn't need to come in XTR/XT/Deore and and and... make it and XT add on, make 2 different 11-36 cassettes and move on.

I think its important that discussions like these exist. And that manufacturers are aware that there are people that might not agree with the direction that the market might be headed. And I like that there can be a discussion without flame wars starting. Much more civil than the Enthusiast PC forums I frequent where it gets reduced to flaming pretty quickly. 

 

I think its cool that there are guys out there that love the simplicity 1X and are having fun riding their bikes with it. I also think its cool that there are still guys like me that think the front mech still has a purpose. This is cycling (the 1x trend isnt contained to MTB only) and with all the different roads, terrains, trails that are available to us I really do not think that cycling can be forced into a 1 size fits all standard. And there will be those like me that resist the change. I look at my bike as it stands and I think to myself. I would rather have the gears there and not need them. Then need the gears and not have them. I really like the versatility a 2x brings me. I can climb and descend. Can maintain my rhythm IMO better because of smaller jumps, I have a negligible weight penalty, and because I keep my tranny in good condition and well tuned reliability is never an issue. And I like the way it looks which is always a bonus. Cause if it looks good to you. It feels good. And if it feels good it goes fast. 

 

That being said 1x is awesome and I think Eagle with its 12 speed is really awesome and squeezing a 12x in there is really cool. Just kinda irritated I cant keep my American Classic's for  anew bike since they don't have boost spacing. Which is irritating to me. Like the one gent earlier said. Progress just for the sake of progress. But I digress. 

 

And @MTBeer I don't feel a dropper is necessary for my riding. I am a bit of an XC marathon guy so I don't hit lots of hectic technical sections. And I am already very strong in the tech sections that I feel it would not be of much benefit to me if at all I would probably for get to set it half the time anyway.

[arendoog]

Currently riding 1 x 11 Shimano and still have my 2 x 10 Shimano bike .New bike has 1 x 11 sram GX .I got used to shifting well in advance  using 1 x 11 .Shimano can shift from small to large gears with 3 shifts and can drop 2 gears at a time .Sram is more limited with regard to multiple shifting .I am using sunrace cassettes only at this point .The best ratio,s with best shifting was with a 2 x 11 Shimano setup using a raceface crank and chainrings and a Shimano front derailer .Sram front derailers never worked as well as Shimano IMO .Shimano SLX and XT are bombproof .Cannot say that about Sram .One of my bikes has an oval ring and i do think it smoothes out your pedal stroke on climbs 

[Chingy182]

I stick to Shimano on my MTB as I do not like the 1X trend. Gear jumps are too big. Weight savings are negligible. Reliability, well I keep my bike and gears clean so I never have shifting issues. I can climb well enough with my current ratios. And can shift onto my 40T when the 1X's are spinning out on the downs. And I don't need to list semi-used rings on the used market because i need to go up or down 2 teeth in size. I can just shift rings for that. And I also don't have a dinner plate on my rear wheel. So yeah. 

I have also always wondered why going 1x was considered an "upgrade", considering the pace you can crack on the flats with a 2x or 3x system.

I loved the feeling of cranking up the heat at the Karoo to Coast shifting into my 40t cog and flying past everyone else

 

But I must confess that I have been swayed to go the 1x "upgrade" route recently too.

I haven't done any races yet, so we'll see how it goes

[TJEERD]

Was a shamino fan for over 20 years , tried out & am riding SRAM 1x 12 GX . An awesome change , works like a dream , I think Shimano have made a big mistake in not embracing 1x12 technology . The smallest 10 tooth cog is just fine & with the big 50 tooth you can climb anything , I’m more than happy ???? with the switch. Still ride dura ace on the road .

[Hellgate]

Ive tried it and I hated it. Gear jumps were horrible. Its so jarring. I can fine tune literally any ratio I want from my bike by switching to a bigger or smaller ring and jumping around a bit on the cassette. If the difference between two cogs is a bit too great I can mix it up with the front end and fine tune it at the rear. You cant do that on a 1X. If the difference between two cogs is too big. Well sorry for you cause the rear is all you got.

 

And again I don't need to sell entire chainrings if my bike comes with chainrings that are too big or too small for me. I don't have that issue. Honestly whats the issue with the front derailleur anyway? Front shifting at least from Shimano's side has always been stellar. I've always found Srams front shifting performance to be lacking by comparison on road and mtb. Maybe that is why Sram is doing it. Can't get the FD right. So they tuck tail and run instead.

[Hellgate]

2x11 rules finish en klaar ????

[EmptyB]

Whatever you prefer works best....

[Zorro5614]

1x12 just seems unnecessary to me.  With a 1x with 32T or 34T and a 11-42 cassette you can climb anything

[Andrew_Smith]

SRAM for MTB.

 

Shimano for Road.

 

As easy as that.

[ChrisF]

Was a shamino fan for over 20 years , tried out & am riding SRAM 1x 12 GX . An awesome change , works like a dream , I think Shimano have made a big mistake in not embracing 1x12 technology . The smallest 10 tooth cog is just fine & with the big 50 tooth you can climb anything , I’m more than happy with the switch. Still ride dura ace on the road .

 

I have 3x10 on my commute bike.  Total overkill !!  2x10 is just so much better.  Same top and bottom end gearing, and so much easier to get the gearing right ...

 

 

On my MTB I had 2x10.  It worked fine, and I could not see the need to change, or do the so called "upgrade" to 1x12 .... Then my MTB had to have some surgery, and various parts needed replacement.  LBS was running a special on the GX Eagle (1x12) set ..... I took the gamble.  Selected the front ring to give me the same climbing ability as that is thee main factor for me.  Turns out this baby CAN climb, and it is just so easy to move between the gears.

 

I was worried about the "gap" between the gears.  But thus far it has not been an issue on the trails.

 

Top end is down, due to the very small front ring I chose, but still faster than what I can ride at places like Meerendal.  This gear ratio wont work for a W2W type race where you may need the top end on longer sections, but then those riders are fitter and stronger and may not need such a low granny.

 

 

The 1x12 may well offer the right gearing for most riders, but certainly some would need both higher and lower .... for these riders the 2x option is still best.

 

 

SRAM vs Shimano.

 

 

Been riding Shimano for more than 30 years.  I love their XT products, in fact their Deore does a damn good job as well.

 

New to SRAM, and still search for the fore-finger lever to drop gears .....  dropping one at a time is certainly something they can improve on in their next series.  But climbing up to 5 gears at a time when you suddenly hit a steep incline is VERY nice !  Thus far - very impressed.

[Kalahari Vegmot]

SRAM for MTB.

 

Shimano for Road.

 

As easy as that.

DUDE!!!

 

You're obviously not ready for roadieness yet.

 

C.A.M.P.A.G.N.O.L.O