gtr1 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Still doesn't make it an easy, flat race as per your initial post?Didn't imply it was flat, just that enough flat races for the sprinters out there. In 947, climbers/hard riders had a chance to shed the sprinters before the finish. Now the sprinters fresh for the first few climbs. And enough time to get back on if they are dropped before the finish. So could end up having the same culprits winning. Just a thought. And to break away on the first climbs makes for a long time to try stay away. So the dynamics of the race will totally change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JA-Q001 Posted May 29, 2018 Share I would really like to see the progression of the route over the years. Who would like to make maps of the routes and share them here, from the first race till now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Wheel Base Posted May 29, 2018 Share Didn't imply it was flat, just that enough flat races for the sprinters out there. In 947, climbers/hard riders had a chance to shed the sprinters before the finish. Now the sprinters fresh for the first few climbs. And enough time to get back on if they are dropped before the finish. So could end up having the same culprits winning. Just a thought. And to break away on the first climbs makes for a long time to try stay away. So the dynamics of the race will totally change.Froome can stay clear for 80km. How hard can it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CASSIE1975 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Didn't imply it was flat, just that enough flat races for the sprinters out there. In 947, climbers/hard riders had a chance to shed the sprinters before the finish. Now the sprinters fresh for the first few climbs. And enough time to get back on if they are dropped before the finish. So could end up having the same culprits winning. Just a thought. And to break away on the first climbs makes for a long time to try stay away. So the dynamics of the race will totally change. I also understand what you mean (for the first 500-1000 ELITE riders doing the race), but maybe the organizers listened to the other 27000-27500 people wanting to "ENJOY" the race and not just thinking of the "STRUGGLE and PAIN" for the last 25km's over those hills. If some of the climbers / hard riders want to win, then maybe go and do the JOCK, or even the Race 4 Victory (150km's - which 40km's goes through the Suikerbos Reserve) and don't do the flatter races if the new route of 94.7 is too "flat"...this "reverse route" would also give another dimension to the 94.7 and give the initiative to the BREAKAWAY to work together and stay away from the "sprinters" to make sure they have a chance of winning? The first half of the race looks like HILLS and should be possible for the climbers / hard riders to stay away then for the second half??? Yes it's awesome to win and be an Elite rider (I would guess)...but the other 27500 people just wanting to finish with a medal around their necks (normally in HEAT and WIND in the afternoon) and before cut-off time 16h30-17h00...isn't most of THIS day anyway also for THEM?? Just go and enjoy the race and maybe don't overthink the whole thing...just my 2 cents Flame suite ON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted May 29, 2018 Share I also understand what you mean (for the first 500-1000 ELITE riders doing the race), but maybe the organizers listened to the other 27000-27500 people wanting to "ENJOY" the race and not just thinking of the "STRUGGLE and PAIN" for the last 25km's over those hills. Exactly... just a little classic Reverse Psychology to entertain the masses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milosh Posted May 29, 2018 Share ...but the other 27500 people just wanting to finish with a medal around their necks (normally in HEAT and WIND in the afternoon) and before cut-off time 16h30-17h00...isn't most of THIS day anyway also for THEM?? Just go and enjoy the race and maybe don't overthink the whole thing...just my 2 cents Flame suite ON THIS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetplant Posted May 29, 2018 Share I'm hoping they do the alternate year thing as mentioned previously, like the comrades. Could add some variance to each year, an "up" or "down" race if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose! Posted May 29, 2018 Share I'm hoping they do the alternate year thing as mentioned previously, like the comrades. Could add some variance to each year, an "up" or "down" race if you will. "up" and "down" races will be quit cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s14phoenix Posted May 29, 2018 Share I think everyone needs to HTFU and ride whichever route to EARN the finishers medal not dictate and complain about routes and difficulty. It is the same as the able bodied doing races on an e-bike scenario - how did you exactly EARN your finishers medal??? By EARNing enough money to buy and e-bike and thus buy your medal rather than putting in the effort for it right??? The cancer of our society that want everything but do not want to put in the effort for it. Do the training. Ride the hard route. Earn your finishers medal. IMO. 2c added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranswurm Posted May 29, 2018 Share I also understand what you mean (for the first 500-1000 ELITE riders doing the race), but maybe the organizers listened to the other 27000-27500 people wanting to "ENJOY" the race and not just thinking of the "STRUGGLE and PAIN" for the last 25km's over those hills. If some of the climbers / hard riders want to win, then maybe go and do the JOCK, or even the Race 4 Victory (150km's - which 40km's goes through the Suikerbos Reserve) and don't do the flatter races if the new route of 94.7 is too "flat"...this "reverse route" would also give another dimension to the 94.7 and give the initiative to the BREAKAWAY to work together and stay away from the "sprinters" to make sure they have a chance of winning? The first half of the race looks like HILLS and should be possible for the climbers / hard riders to stay away then for the second half??? Yes it's awesome to win and be an Elite rider (I would guess)...but the other 27500 people just wanting to finish with a medal around their necks (normally in HEAT and WIND in the afternoon) and before cut-off time 16h30-17h00...isn't most of THIS day anyway also for THEM?? Just go and enjoy the race and maybe don't overthink the whole thing...just my 2 cents Flame suite ON You cant be serious.....27000 just want to enjoy the race..ha ha haYou forget about the sub 2.5,sub 3,sub 3.5,sub 4 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibali Posted May 29, 2018 Share Didn't imply it was flat, just that enough flat races for the sprinters out there. In 947, climbers/hard riders had a chance to shed the sprinters before the finish. Now the sprinters fresh for the first few climbs. And enough time to get back on if they are dropped before the finish. So could end up having the same culprits winning. Just a thought. And to break away on the first climbs makes for a long time to try stay away. So the dynamics of the race will totally change. Thanks for clarifying. I think it's still going to be tough, the strong guys are going to make everyone bleed on the first climbs and then stay away on the flats. Invariably the strongest guys in the bunch are also the guys who also sit in the front of the group, so I don't think the sprinters (wheelsuckers ) will pull them back. Adds a nice dynamic to the race. Someone said it earlier, very similar to what Tour Durban does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted May 29, 2018 Share Thanks for clarifying. I think it's still going to be tough, the strong guys are going to make everyone bleed on the first climbs and then stay away on the flats. Invariably the strongest guys in the bunch are also the guys who also sit in the front of the group, so I don't think the sprinters (wheelsuckers ) will pull them back. Adds a nice dynamic to the race. Someone said it earlier, very similar to what Tour Durban does. What is the Tour Durban like? Never ridden it, but based on the Amashova which I've always enjoyed I'm wondering what TD route and vibe is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibali Posted May 29, 2018 Share What is the Tour Durban like? Never ridden it, but based on the Amashova which I've always enjoyed I'm wondering what TD route and vibe is like. It's an awesome day out! Very hard start climbing up to Pinetown, then loooooong descend back to Durbs and then out and back on the M4 (scenic and fast). Bit of broken road before the climb and coming through town again, but all in, heaps of fun. Do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CASSIE1975 Posted May 29, 2018 Share You cant be serious.....27000 just want to enjoy the race..ha ha haYou forget about the sub 2.5,sub 3,sub 3.5,sub 4 etc. So the sub 2.5,sub 3,sub 3.5,sub 4 etc. guys are not part of the 27000 and don't enjoy the race? Okay...the last 5000 just want to go and enjoy the race... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 29, 2018 Share Does anyone remember the Star 100 which started and finished at Nasrec in 87 or 88?I know Wyatt did this oneAll the way around JHB and included going up Allens NekWe finished in a huge storm with sleet and iceThat race was, and still is, organised by the same club... question is, do you know the club? First event took place in 1984. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 29, 2018 Share Froome can stay clear for 80km. How hard can it be? Just remember to change your saddle first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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