K2C & e-bikes

[L.T.G]

The bikes weights are comming down. Average wegiht now is about 19 -21kg with new bikes at the bike show in EU - 15,6 KG. I have seen some normal steel MTB that way 17 kg and a big heavy rider - you argument does not stack up. 

how so?

What you've just said echos my words.

an Ebike's  weight  makes no difference to it's claimed negative impact on the trails.  

['Dale]

It's a bicycle race. Ebikes are not bicycles. No discrimination at all.

 

 

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[Skubarra]

I saw groups of MTB'ers with E bikers with them, they were not chucking their GU's at him, they seemed pretty happy. Unless an e bike starts popping into the top 20 of events its like sprinting for 15325 place at fun ride world champs.

 

Big difference between events and riding on trails with mates, I have zero issue with the latter.

 

And I have seen first hand at a stage race where a back marker given an ebike for the day (as an promotion) effortlessly kicked the race leaders arses the next day, even had time to take long stops at the waterpoints. So yes I can see them popping into the Top 20 and not just interfere with the mid-bunch mamils who take their 15000th place far too seriously.

['Dale]

BRAAP!!! [emoji869]

 

 

Spaz red nogal 

[Eldron]

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Also - I thought we had solved this already - Ebikes on trails no problem Ebikes in races big problem ????????

 

I have no issue with people who actually need ebikes riding them in races (controlled by paraolympic documentation/doctors certificate and separate cat and whotnot) but physically capable people motordoping their way through races is just farkin lazy.

['Dale]

Also - I thought we had solved this already - Ebikes on trails no problem Ebikes in races big problem

 

I have no issue with people who actually need ebikes riding them in races (controlled by paraolympic documentation/doctors certidictae and separate cat and whotnot) but physically capable motordoping their way through races is just farkin lazy.

 

Yip yip

it is designed for recreational riding / exploring for those that cannot

And of course commuting and that's cool as it's not just another car on the roads.

Or for the downhiller and enduro dude/dudette with 'climbing allergies'.

[Eldron]

I currently have an achilles tendon injury but still want to run the comrades so can I use an electric scooter to compete? No? That's discrimination!!

[JA-Q001]

So you have seeding putting people in groups dependent on their ability. Now you get a slow guy with no skills, passing you on thr hills and not being able to manage the downhills, so how is seeding going to work?

 

Also, if you are quoting an injury as an excuse, how is going faster than normal on a bike that handles differently than others, faster through technical parts than you can handle, increasing your risk of crashing again and worsening your injury, in a mass participation event. How does that logic work.

[Patchelicious]

So you have seeding putting people in groups dependent on their ability. Now you get a slow guy with no skills, passing you on thr hills and not being able to manage the downhills, so how is seeding going to work?

 

Also, if you are quoting an injury as an excuse, how is going faster than normal on a bike that handles differently than others, faster through technical parts than you can handle, increasing your risk of crashing again and worsening your injury, in a mass participation event. How does that logic work.

It doesn't, but since when has that stopped lazy people from trying to construct flimsy arguments to justify their laziness.

[Shebeen]

Also - I thought we had solved this already - Ebikes on trails no problem Ebikes in races big problem

 

I have no issue with people who actually need ebikes riding them in races (controlled by paraolympic documentation/doctors certificate and separate cat and whotnot) but physically capable people motordoping their way through races is just farkin lazy.

You've made the assumption that you are clearly right and everyone agrees with you.

[lechatnoir]

I currently have an achilles tendon injury but still want to run the comrades so can I use an electric scooter to compete? No? That's discrimination!!

 

that's just foolish.... you'll never make it on a single charge. also, you have plenty of time to recover for next year's race

 

also also, that's foolish

[Patchelicious]

You've made the assumption that you are clearly right and everyone agrees with you.

 

MOST people, here seem too agree with his summary, "Everyone" is an absolute and you will never have a situation where EVERYONE agrees on anything.

[Escapee..]

   

 

 

 

 

 

[PhilipV]

I have been following this thread since inception and honestly thought that people were pulling the p1ss, but have realised that there are genuinely people who believe that motorised vehicles should be included in human powered events.

 

An "e-bike" is not a bicycle - correction, it is a bicycle in the same sense that a Ducati Desmosedici is a bicycle as it has two wheels - it does not belong in an event created for people powering themselves.

 

That is simple logic, the fact that the power is stored in a battery and delivered via an electric motor is no different than the power inherent in fossil fuels and delivered via an internal combustion engine and nobody is seriously suggesting that you should be allowed to do the K2C on a KTM 250 EXC.

 

Go and start your own races. if the demand is so big, you will make a fortune.

Riding is more than just racing.

If course he can ride, but saying he must hang up his bike because he can't race without electrical assistance is being very, very narrow-minded.

[Shebeen]

MOST people, here seem too agree with his summary, "Everyone" is an absolute and you will never have a situation where EVERYONE agrees on anything.

Okee dokee, so "most" people agree on the issue. Page 6 and counting would tell the different story that it's not as black and white as it is in your mind..

[DieselnDust]

Also - I thought we had solved this already - Ebikes on trails no problem Ebikes in races big problem

 

I have no issue with people who actually need ebikes riding them in races (controlled by paraolympic documentation/doctors certificate and separate cat and whotnot) but physically capable people motordoping their way through races is just farkin lazy.

 

 

Well then its easy to solve isn't it. Anyone interested in entering on an E-bike has to provide medical justification via their doctor. Sani2C allowed  a bike shop owner to enter their event on an E-bike and that was without any justification that was made known to other entrants.

The arguments against E-bikes are pretty weak.

 

I can however see range being a problem for K2C. How do you remove 100 e-bikers from the bottom of the last climb if they run out of battery? Especially if you allowing the e-bikes based on medical reasons.

Complex problem that can be solved when people say "lets make this happen!"