PygaSchmyga Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Yes, within reason. The point being that you would expect distasteful content in certain magazines and programs, but Bicycling Magazine, previously "clean" have now made a turn that is not suitable for readers who still try to keep a dictum of decency in their everyday lives.Cancel your subscription! There, fixed it!
lechatnoir Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Not a total fan of off-colour content as per the OP's point, but man... I think I'd find the general quality of the journalism more offensive.
Shebeen Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 AND Who still buys print??? Do you not love nature? We are only borrowing the planet from our kids!! what about the poor trees??i don't know about the circulation figures but bicycling magazine has gone the way of many many other print titles. downhill, and I'm not talking about mr Min. RIDE on the other hand, have now actually seen some of my money - it has been relaunched is a REALLY good read. http://www.ride.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-04-at-2.52.06-PM.png
Skubarra Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Yes, within reason. The point being that you would expect distasteful content in certain magazines and programs, but Bicycling Magazine, previously "clean" have now made a turn that is not suitable for readers who still try to keep a dictum of decency in their everyday lives. But if it is only the one article (with a warning) is it fair to go the full "they have now made a turn" and "lost their values" outrage? I think it was bit daft from the mag to post an article with content like that but I also don't see the need for the outrage.
Headshot Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I think that's "modicum" not "dictum'... Anyway, why the terrible fear that a silly article with a few pics of grown men behaving badly will somehow undo all your good parenting? How about using the article and pics as an illustration of how not to behave? The outside world holds far more dangerous influences than a magazine article your kids won't even read. I'd rather have my kids vloeking madly than doing drugs, or do you think the two go hand in glove? By the way, research has shown that those that swear are more likely to be honest than those that don't.
Allrounder Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Yes, within reason. The point being that you would expect distasteful content in certain magazines and programs, but Bicycling Magazine, previously "clean" have now made a turn that is not suitable for readers who still try to keep a dictum of decency in their everyday lives.Cool. Thanks for your response. Just checking because the things that BM issued, is seen in most movies that kids watch these days.. and available everywhere online.
PygaSchmyga Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Mostly I agree with you. Moerigejan's example is a bit more complicated - he bought a subscription based on the fact that there weren't any swear words/profanity/naughty pics - the magazine then changed the game on him. In that instance I reckon he deserves some kind of response as he is invested in the next few issues. Also - one man's "you deserve no response" is another man's "they should be held to account". Also also - in terms of the broader "protection of morals" issue we/society in general have a responsibility to protect future generations from what we consider unacceptable. Having an opinion but thinking it deserves no response will never create change. But mostly I agree with you :-)All good points - especially the highlighted bit. Isn't this where the market takes over? Businesses do need to listen to customers, but not every customer has the same value. If an issue is raised over a period of time by a number of customers, then any business would have pause to consider addressing it, and ignore it at their peril. Conversely responding to every single disgruntled moaner is also not good business strategy, and one is more than justified to just dismiss them outright - its a balance, and is the sole domain of the business.
Allrounder Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 I think that's "modicum" not "dictum'... Anyway, why the terrible fear that a silly article with a few pics of grown men behaving badly will somehow undo all your good parenting? How about using the article and pics as an illustration of how not to behave? The outside world holds far more dangerous influences than a magazine article your kids won't even read. I'd rather have my kids vloeking madly than doing drugs, or do you think the two go hand in glove? By the way, research has shown that those that swear are more likely to be honest than those that don't. This should be an interesting read!! Can you remember your source?I am not attacking or doubting, but more interested in the "testing" and psychology behind it!
jandemoerin Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 I think that's "modicum" not "dictum'... Anyway, why the terrible fear that a silly article with a few pics of grown men behaving badly will somehow undo all your good parenting? How about using the article and pics as an illustration of how not to behave? The outside world holds far more dangerous influences than a magazine article your kids won't even read. I'd rather have my kids vloeking madly than doing drugs, or do you think the two go hand in glove? By the way, research has shown that those that swear are more likely to be honest than those that don't. Fixed it. Thank you.
Gen Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Hi Gen. The content caused offence.Now that you have learnt that there is in fact a warning on the issue do you still feel they need to print an apology? And are you planning on changing your hub name as that could offend someone?[emoji6]
Headshot Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 This should be an interesting read!! Can you remember your source?I am not attacking or doubting, but more interested in the "testing" and psychology behind it! I've seen it referred to a couple of times on social media science sites like IFLS, I think. You do know what IFLS stands for don't you :-)
Escapee.. Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 This should be an interesting read!! Can you remember your source?I am not attacking or doubting, but more interested in the "testing" and psychology behind it! http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550617714586 https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/do-we-find-people-who-swear-more-honest-yes-says-new-study
Eldron Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 All good points - especially the highlighted bit. Isn't this where the market takes over? Businesses do need to listen to customers, but not every customer has the same value. If an issue is raised over a period of time by a number of customers, then any business would have pause to consider addressing it, and ignore it at their peril. Conversely responding to every single disgruntled moaner is also not good business strategy, and one is more than justified to just dismiss them outright - its a balance, and is the sole domain of the business. Agreed - it's all about the balance. Given that we have knowledge of only 1 issue with the colourful language we don't really have enough info to say whether the magazine should have responded or not... Either way - I'm fairly certain this was a one off with the fbomb/middle finger being "cool" and in line with the character of the story - I don't reckon we'll see another fbomb any time soon.
Gen Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550617714586 https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/do-we-find-people-who-swear-more-honest-yes-says-new-studyWell that is just confusing.[emoji848]
jandemoerin Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 Now that you have learnt that there is in fact a warning on the issue do you still feel they need to print an apology? And are you planning on changing your hub name as that could offend someone?[emoji6]Name is actually Dutch...spelling Kukemur. It can only be offensive if you speak and understand Afrikaans and you have associated the word or parts of the word with something derogatory or foul. See what can happen when your mind gets clouded..?
Gen Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Name is actually Dutch...spelling Kukemur. It can only be offensive if you speak and understand Afrikaans and you have associated the word or parts of the word with something derogatory or foul. See what can happen when your mind gets clouded..? Yeah a SA forum where most understand Afrikaans very well...but okay spin it that way if you please. But you aren't answering my other question.. now that you know that they did in fact put on a warning do you still insist on them printing an apology?
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