CSA fining members for riding choc mtb

[Frosty]

Well... there's a lot more to add to that figure then. R3000 is where you start. Keep adding.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53f5fb7ce4b0cab4a7fe8561/t/5bd865e00d929731e8ae7e55/1540908521578/CyclingSA_Road+Calendar+%26+Categorisation+Structure_22102018.pdf

 

• R3000 is just to list the event on the CSA website, and yes, doesn't include the cost to ensure the race can be sanctioned (all the costs that go into organising an event). But CSA don't get any of that.
• Then R10/rider, which Rolling Stone has said doesn't all go to CSA - some goes to the region.
• R35 per day licence (also get's split).
• The officials fees is for their time, and distance travelled.

[scotty]

Why this one?  Why not any of the bicycle rules (size, weight limit, motor?)

 

Especially why this one when it gets ignored internationally?  When they couldn't possibly send a commissaire to every one of these races if they did suddenly get sanctioned?

 

 

I agree that a strong CSA would be a good thing.  They've had a lot of chances, though: decades.

 

If they came out with a plan to get out of the pit like:

- in 2019 we're going to develop 3 riders

- in 2020 we're going to develop 6 riders

- in 2021 we're going to work with youtube

- in 2022 we're going to upskill commissaires

- in 2023 we're going to ...

 

To do this we need X, Y and Z

To do this we want A, B and C

Might have been mentioned before by someone else but best I can find is this, outdated and vague. You would think they would have added more substance and updated it with milestones and achievements. 

 

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53f5fb7ce4b0cab4a7fe8561/t/53fcdbe2e4b02e9c3cf45751/1409080290645/1.Cycling+SA+-+Vision+2020.pdf

[TIB]

I think that CSA is managing to draw attention to the sanctioning of races. And the guys here on the hub are playing their part.

The fact that many races are not sanctioned, this is not always highlighted by race organizers and 10,000 odd CSA members do not always think to check. Only when they have a crash and want to claim do they realize that they are not covered because races are not sanctioned. Or when they get fined, I would not be surprised at all if Licensed riders enter a race thinking that it is sanctioned and then get a nasty surprise from CSA.

Also draws some attention to the value of a CSA membership (Not a racing License necessarily)

All in all, good PR and marketing for CSA I think.

The effort of dishing out a R750 fine and suspension is surely not worth their while when you think of the time and effort that goes into the whole process

Hahahaha, this is really really funny. You are beliving your own press. Nothing good has ever come of it.

 

You have just proven to be in the class of Sanral and the SABC. Threaten your customers and they will pay up. Believe me, we don’t scare that easily anymore.

 

Do you really think the insurance cover is a selling point? There is no way that I will trust you again after CSA management failed to honour their commitments to the insurer .

[Rolling Stone]

Development starts at clubs and schools, then regions and from there CSA get involved more at the High Performance level. That is why more than half of the income goes to regions and why there is a national cycling academys program etc.
Best will be to ask your region what programs they have for development and what clubs are actively involved in development. Suport those clubs if you can.
These programs mostly rely on parents and the like that volunteer their time.
That is why schools are such a good development base for mtb at the moment. the svhools system manages to get lots of parent involvement.
All of this happens with the help of and some guidance from CSA.
Also support schools that recognize cycling as a sport equal to Rugby or athletics.
Kids tend to be drawn to sport where they can get recognition.

[LeoKnight]

 

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53f5fb7ce4b0cab4a7fe8561/t/5bd865e00d929731e8ae7e55/1540908521578/CyclingSA_Road+Calendar+%26+Categorisation+Structure_22102018.pdf

 

• R3000 is just to list the event on the CSA website, and yes, doesn't include the cost to ensure the race can be sanctioned (all the costs that go into organising an event). But CSA don't get any of that.
• Then R10/rider, which Rolling Stone has said doesn't all go to CSA - some goes to the region.
• R35 per day licence (also get's split).
• The officials fees is for their time, and distance travelled.

 

 

That document seems to only focus on the road races.  Is there also minimum limits on price money, or does the price money determine the race rating?

[Frosty]

That document seems to only focus on the road races.  Is there also minimum limits on price money, or does the price money determine the race rating?

TBH I don't know. The event I'm with applies for CSA-R1 status (with a minimum of R50k for prizes - we give R80k).

[Pieter-za]

That is why schools are such a good development base for mtb at the moment

Is CSA involved with the Spur MTB series?

[TIB]

Is CSA involved with the Spur MTB series?

Doubt it. How much revenue can you really generate by issuing fines to school kids....

[Rolling Stone]

Is CSA involved with the Spur MTB series?

http://www.saschoolscycling.co.za/

 

https://www.cyclingsa.com/about-us/

 

Deon Steyn From SASC is clearly an Associate Member of CSA and has been for some time. 

So the way I understand it. SA Schools Cycling is an associate member CSA.(Or something like that)

CSA and the regions get no fees or funding from them in any form as far as I understand, no sanctioning of events etc. All falls under the School Sports umbrella, the schools make a bit of money by hosting events etc.

I am not sure about other regions, but at CSA level and in Gauteng we have a very good relationship with Schools cycling and I know that CGC support and interact with schools cycling on a regular basis. I believe that schools cycling is only just getting started and will still grow to  much more than the current Spur mtb league. In time you should see Road, Track and even BMX growing through schools cycling.  Schools are starting to play the roll that clubs did for youth development and racing in the past and it is only logical to think that it must grow into all cycling disciplines over time. 

[Velouria]

He held in a sneeze then read what was on the wall like a tarot cards.

 

You've been sitting on this gif waiting for the perfect opportunity to use it. 

 

Well played!

 

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/not-worthy.gif

[Chris NewbyFraser]

They don't need an expensive marketing team, but they desperately need positive PR.

 

Sending out a (not ambitious) plan is important to make them accountable, and to measure success and failure.  It's also important to get people like me to stop complaining about what they don't do because they can say "yes, but we're short on money, and this we did do."

 

It's extremely important to get the PR out precisely because of past problems.  Because things were hidden.

 

Don't say "we're going to ban everything"

Say "we're going to check bikes to level the playing field"

 

Don't say "we're fining every race"

Say "sanctioned races have extra safety"

 

Don't say "where's your money"

Say "contribute to a commissaire for the juniors"

 

Don't say "hand it over"

Say "thank you"

 

Just advertise which commissaire was at what race last month.  And how many disputes they resolved.  Why they are there.  Make themselves visible.

 

 

Anyway, I need to stop commenting on this thread.  It's not good for my health.  Just wanted to close with constructive criticism.

Well said. Very valid points! Perhaps yoU could volunteer your services in your region, if not nationally, to help them get the right comms mechanisms and attitudes?

Or, riders who work at a pr specialust agency and have some influence could encourage the company to do some pro-bono work for CSA?

[Rolling Stone]

http://www.saschoolscycling.co.za/

 

https://www.cyclingsa.com/about-us/

 

Deon Steyn From SASC is clearly an Associate Member of CSA and has been for some time. 

So the way I understand it. SA Schools Cycling is an associate member CSA.(Or something like that)

CSA and the regions get no fees or funding from them in any form as far as I understand, no sanctioning of events etc. All falls under the School Sports umbrella, the schools make a bit of money by hosting events etc.

I am not sure about other regions, but at CSA level and in Gauteng we have a very good relationship with Schools cycling and I know that CGC support and interact with schools cycling on a regular basis. I believe that schools cycling is only just getting started and will still grow to  much more than the current Spur mtb league. In time you should see Road, Track and even BMX growing through schools cycling.  Schools are starting to play the roll that clubs did for youth development and racing in the past and it is only logical to think that it must grow into all cycling disciplines over time. 

WELCOME TO SOUTH AFRICAN SCHOOLS CYCLING

 

 

Taking cycling to Schools

 

Extract from Home page of SA Schools Cycling (SASC)

This website is the home of the official schools cycling body fo South Africa. The body will represent the sport in four cycling codes; road cycling, mountain bike (cross country and marathon), track cycling and BMX. S.A.S.C. or "Sask" is affiliated to Cycling South Africa (CyclingSA). The aim of this body is to present cycling to schools and thereby introduce and grow our sport amongst school kids.

[Patchelicious]

 

WELCOME TO SOUTH AFRICAN SCHOOLS CYCLING

 

Taking cycling to Schools

Extract from Home page of SA Schools Cycling (SASC)

 

This website is the home of the official schools cycling body fo South Africa. The body will represent the sport in four cycling codes; road cycling, mountain bike (cross country and marathon), track cycling and BMX. S.A.S.C. or "Sask" is affiliated to Cycling South Africa (CyclingSA). The aim of this body is to present cycling to schools and thereby introduce and grow our sport amongst school kids.

What does CSA do to help?

[Pieter-za]

Thanks - Is it correct to say then that CSA is not doing any cycling development on school level, and everything is done by 'SA School Cycling' then?  ('Affiliated' means just that, nothing more.)

[Slowbee]

stop with the colours!
 

[scotty]

What does CSA do to help?

They add their rubber stamp of approval. Not help so much as giving the appearance they add value.