Rigardt@Scott Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 Quick question to you guys that seem to know bike suspension, I have a Scott Genius with a X-fusion O2 shock in it and a Rock shox Sektor Fork with 140mm Travel(Front and rear), where would I see the most benefit in "upgrading" fork or shock? I was looking at Pike 140mm travel, seems like upgrading the shock(second hand) would cost about the same as a second hand shock, your opinions/advice?For sure the fork - no contest. You will feel the difference in both, but the Pike will transform your bike. Hairy 1
Headshot Posted July 30, 2020 Author Posted July 30, 2020 I've now ridden the new shock at Tokai on the higher speed stuff and some slower rocky stuff along with some very steep climbs. My concerns about the pedaling platform turned out to be unfounded. Overall the shock seems to have a firmer compression tune than the RS which makes it ride higher in its travel and pedal more efficiently seated and standing. Cornering is also improved as the bike seem to have lost its tendency to sink too far into its travel.The only trade off is possibly a slightly harsher ride but so far that seems to be minor. Some fiddling with air and compression knobs is in order. Overall the Ohlins is a high quality item and is very nicely put together. I especially like the feel of the compression and rebound controls. Duane_Bosch, DieselnDust, Vallende Vaandel and 3 others 6
Jewbacca Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) I've now ridden the new shock at Tokai on the higher speed stuff and some slower rocky stuff along with some very steep climbs. My concerns about the pedaling platform turned out to be unfounded. Overall the shock seems to have a firmer compression tune than the RS which makes it ride higher in its travel and pedal more efficiently seated and standing. Cornering is also improved as the bike seem to have lost its tendency to sink too far into its travel.The only trade off is possibly a slightly harsher ride but so far that seems to be minor. Some fiddling with air and compression knobs is in order. Overall the Ohlins is a high quality item and is very nicely put together. I especially like the feel of the compression and rebound controls.I missed the shock length on this? I have a standard fox float 197x48 with the Spaz proprietary yoke end... I would be tempted to shop around for an ohlins upgrade or a double can of some sort too but haven't found any non OEM options I'm glad you like the forced upgrade. That is a small victory in my books! As aside, is there not a yoke replacement/mod one could buy to free up options? Edited July 30, 2020 by Jewbacca Headshot 1
Hairy Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 I missed the shock length on this? I have a standard fox float 197x48 with the Spaz proprietary yoke end... I would be tempted to shop around for an ohlins upgrade or a double can of some sort too but haven't found any non OEM options I'm glad you like the forced upgrade. That is a small victory in my books! As aside, is there not a yoke replacement/mod one could buy to free up options?BikeYoke do one ... but they are also a little pricey Jewbacca 1
Jewbacca Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 BikeYoke do one ... but they are also a little pricey Hmm.... Buying a 120 dollar yoke to free up my shock options seems like a small price to pay. Thank you for that, I had a look and am going to check if it fits on my bike. Hairy 1
Headshot Posted July 30, 2020 Author Posted July 30, 2020 I missed the shock length on this? I have a standard fox float 197x48 with the Spaz proprietary yoke end... I would be tempted to shop around for an ohlins upgrade or a double can of some sort too but haven't found any non OEM options I'm glad you like the forced upgrade. That is a small victory in my books! As aside, is there not a yoke replacement/mod one could buy to free up options?Thanks, long may it work. My bike runs a 216 x57 shock. The problem is the proprietary "eye" on the Spaz shocks. Their latest bikes have ditched this stupidity leaving owners of older Enduros and Stumpjumpers etc with only one option namely the Bike Yoke guys in Germany. At 140 E, The yoke alone for my bike would cost nearly as much as I ended up paying for the second hand Ohlins! If you buy the Yoke you still need a decent shock so you're probably still not going to get away with much under R10k depending on the price of the new shock. I must say I like to sound of the Ohlins TTX coil shock. The Vital testers have one and it still works perfectly after a year of abuse and no servicing whatsoever. It seems that Ohlins are selling service kits to owners directly these days so if Stoke can tool up for them, I may be able to get mine serviced locally in due course... Jewbacca and DieselnDust 2
DieselnDust Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 Thanks, long may it work. My bike runs a 216 x57 shock. The problem is the proprietary "eye" on the Spaz shocks. Their latest bikes have ditched this stupidity leaving owners of older Enduros and Stumpjumpers etc with only one option namely the Bike Yoke guys in Germany. At 140 E, The yoke alone for my bike would cost nearly as much as I ended up paying for the second hand Ohlins! If you buy the Yoke you still need a decent shock so you're probably still not going to get away with much under R10k depending on the price of the new shock. I must say I like to sound of the Ohlins TTX coil shock. The Vital testers have one and it still works perfectly after a year of abuse and no servicing whatsoever. It seems that Ohlins are selling service kits to owners directly these days so if Stoke can tool up for them, I may be able to get mine serviced locally in due course... does it require any proprietary tools to service?
Headshot Posted July 30, 2020 Author Posted July 30, 2020 does it require any proprietary tools to service?Apparently it does. Stoke would need to buy the necessary tools which I'm not sure would be worth their while as I suspect Ohlins are few and far between and the later versions are different again.
Hairy Posted July 30, 2020 Posted July 30, 2020 Apparently it does. Stoke would need to buy the necessary tools which I'm not sure would be worth their while as I suspect Ohlins are few and far between and the later versions are different again.would the chaps who first provided you with the failed shock and then the wrong size shock be able to service this for you? have you any idea RE the price of the tools required, or exactly what they are?
Headshot Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 Hairy there is precisely one video showing a guy servicing an stx 22 on Youtube. Looks like a couple of weird long sockets are required... Hairy 1
Hairy Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 Hairy there is precisely one video showing a guy servicing an stx 22 on Youtube. Looks like a couple of weird long sockets are required...Ring up your buddy Brunnniiiiiii
Hairy Posted August 3, 2020 Posted August 3, 2020 Hairy there is precisely one video showing a guy servicing an stx 22 on Youtube. Looks like a couple of weird long sockets are required...this guy? the big "O" may also be able to email you the tech docs for the service https://www.ohlins.com/support/manuals/mtb-manuals/owners-manuals/
Headshot Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 this guy? the big "O" may also be able to email you the tech docs for the service https://www.ohlins.com/support/manuals/mtb-manuals/owners-manuals/Ya that guy, who doesn't really show you much detail at all or a close up of the tools. Its a dark art it would seem...
Hairy Posted August 11, 2020 Posted August 11, 2020 Riding the New Vorsprung Secus https://nsmb.com/articles/riding-new-vorsprung-secus/
Pieter1 Posted September 3, 2020 Posted September 3, 2020 Is there a Droo in GP? My Lyrik almost feels harder than my rigid fork. I have taken out all the volume spacers and relaxed the rebound. Not sure what else to do. I have the HSPC on one click and LSPC on 7 if that helps.
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