Enduro/gravity bike suspension and geo

[Bos]

I Was on the verge of pulling the trigger on a Maxx Terra Assigai 2.5, but I want to check out the Kenda Pinner Pro this weekend. My riding buddy has one up front. It looks like the typical Assigai rip off with better rolling resistance. It will probably have slightly less grip, who knows, I'm sure there's a tradeoff. I'm thinking it may be the height of the actual knobs thats slightly lower, in which case I cant see it having the same performance, but Im guessing here, so let me rather shut up and confirm

@Headshot, I'm well jealous of your aggressor performance. I highly rate the tire, It grips fine on everything but very steep stuff when its snotty, but mine definitely deforms& burps when I push it into turns. Its that insert of yours that's making the difference. I wish they were available off the shelf locally.

I'm going to get some Rimpacts. Let me know if you want in. 

[Headshot]

I got the Nukeproof ARDs. They're quite reasonably priced at CRC . I started a ride two days ago to find that my front tyre had a very noticeable wobble in it since fitting the front insert. The sight of it was quite off-putting and I have yet to manage to remove the tyre which is damn difficult with the insert in there. Warm soapy water and some patience will be required. 

[Rigardt@Scott]

5 hours ago, Bos said:

I Was on the verge of pulling the trigger on a Maxx Terra Assigai 2.5, but I want to check out the Kenda Pinner Pro this weekend. My riding buddy has one up front. It looks like the typical Assigai rip off with better rolling resistance. It will probably have slightly less grip, who knows, I'm sure there's a tradeoff. I'm thinking it may be the height of the actual knobs thats slightly lower, in which case I cant see it having the same performance, but Im guessing here, so let me rather shut up and confirm

@Headshot, I'm well jealous of your aggressor performance. I highly rate the tire, It grips fine on everything but very steep stuff when its snotty, but mine definitely deforms& burps when I push it into turns. Its that insert of yours that's making the difference. I wish they were available off the shelf locally.

I'm going to get some Rimpacts. Let me know if you want in. 

Why not some CushCore? They are available locally....

[Bos]

38 minutes ago, Grease_Monkey said:

Why not some CushCore? They are available locally....

The Rimpact I'm looking at is less than half the weight and 1000 bucks for 2. (Exc shipping and vat) cushcore is R2750 a set and half a KG. 

 

Those are my reasons. 

[Rigardt@Scott]

18 minutes ago, Bos said:

The Rimpact I'm looking at is less than half the weight and 1000 bucks for 2. (Exc shipping and vat) cushcore is R2750 a set and half a KG. 

 

Those are my reasons. 

Not that it makes the price any less, but for weight you could go for the CushCore XC insert. 300gr for the set.

[MORNE]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:04 PM, Chadvdw67 said:

I really enjoyed the dissector 2.4 exo+ maxx terra front and rear on my bike, for me it has enough grip, and relatively low rolling resistance, some guys say it doesnt last well, but I haven't had that experience with it.

 

Also, Vittoria Mazza front and rear, they have felt amazing up to now, but, I have got a fair amout of punctures with them, all of them I have been able to plug up until Saturday where I got one that isnt even big, but it just wont seal, not even with a 4x4 mushroom plug.

 

Anyways, I am now going to be trying the Hutchinson Griffus tyres that my bike originally came with again.

The bike i recently acquired has dhf 2.5 exo+ maxterra on the front and dissector  2.4 exo+ on the rear. Same compound. They are brand new so ill be riding it like this for now.

Regardless, how do you guys rate this combo for mostly hoogekraal,Conties (my valley) 

oh and ill be going into jonkers broduro later this month - blind too🤣. What pressures do you recommend for 85-90kg all in? Im still meek and mild.

[PhilipV]

8 hours ago, Bos said:

I Was on the verge of pulling the trigger on a Maxx Terra Assigai 2.5, but I want to check out the Kenda Pinner Pro this weekend. My riding buddy has one up front. It looks like the typical Assigai rip off with better rolling resistance. It will probably have slightly less grip, who knows, I'm sure there's a tradeoff. I'm thinking it may be the height of the actual knobs thats slightly lower, in which case I cant see it having the same performance, but Im guessing here, so let me rather shut up and confirm

 

Bos, Assegaai is die kat se snor. Grip in die draaie is iets anders. Vandat ek 'n Assegaai voor op het, kry ek myself gereeld in die moeilikheid, en die Assegaai vra nie vrae nie, dit verander net rigting. En as jy die fiets oor gooi in 'n draai, is daar nie 'n dooie vae kol in die middel nie.

Jy sal nie spyt wees nie. 

[Bos]

7 minutes ago, PhilipV said:

Bos, Assegaai is die kat se snor. Grip in die draaie is iets anders. Vandat ek 'n Assegaai voor op het, kry ek myself gereeld in die moeilikheid, en die Assegaai vra nie vrae nie, dit verander net rigting. En as jy die fiets oor gooi in 'n draai, is daar nie 'n dooie vae kol in die middel nie.

Jy sal nie spyt wees nie. 

Het jy die max grip of max terra? En 2.5 of 2.6?

[PhilipV]

59 minutes ago, Bos said:

Het jy die max grip of max terra? En 2.5 of 2.6?

Jy vra moeilike vrae. Ek moes gaan kyk. 

Maxx grip 2.5. En op my ou fiets was dit ook Maxx grip. 

 

[Hairy]

1 hour ago, PhilipV said:

Bos, Assegaai is die kat se snor. Grip in die draaie is iets anders. Vandat ek 'n Assegaai voor op het, kry ek myself gereeld in die moeilikheid, en die Assegaai vra nie vrae nie, dit verander net rigting. En as jy die fiets oor gooi in 'n draai, is daar nie 'n dooie vae kol in die middel nie.

Jy sal nie spyt wees nie. 

It is a pretty spectacular tyre on the front

[Pieter1]

On 9/10/2022 at 12:46 AM, PhilipV said:

Bos, Assegaai is die kat se snor. Grip in die draaie is iets anders. Vandat ek 'n Assegaai voor op het, kry ek myself gereeld in die moeilikheid, en die Assegaai vra nie vrae nie, dit verander net rigting. En as jy die fiets oor gooi in 'n draai, is daar nie 'n dooie vae kol in die middel nie.

Jy sal nie spyt wees nie. 

Dis hoe ek voel oor my Magic Mary. Ek het wel nog nie die Assegai probeer nie maar toe ek bande nodig gehad het kon ek nie een opspoor nie. Nou weet ek nie of ek sommer weer gou MAXXIS sal gebruik nie...

[Hairy]

1 hour ago, Pieter1 said:

Dis hoe ek voel oor my Magic Mary. Ek het wel nog nie die Assegai probeer nie maar toe ek bande nodig gehad het kon ek nie een opspoor nie. Nou weet ek nie of ek sommer weer gou MAXXIS sal gebruik nie...

I have only only used the Hans Dampfs before, great feeling tyres, but they just never lasted and tended to puncture easier than my Maxxisssss counterparts.

Please check in with a long term review once you have beaten those tyres up a bit!

[Pieter1]

6 hours ago, Hairy said:

I have only only used the Hans Dampfs before, great feeling tyres, but they just never lasted and tended to puncture easier than my Maxxisssss counterparts.

Please check in with a long term review once you have beaten those tyres up a bit!

Will do. I have done 215km on the Hans and the MM but the trails here are hard packed and sandy with the odd root. Not much that can puncture or damage the tire. I have had no issues thus far. They roll much better than my dhr and dhf combo and the grip feels a lot better. I had my MAXXIS on for about 1500km according to Probike garage so I’ll see how these get on. 

[MORNE]

I get that it's probably impossible to help over a keyboard but I'm going to ask anyway.

Dont know if its just my utter lack of confidence on a mtb these days or something a bit more related to suspension setup...but after two relatively big days out (40km+) on my cotic Rocket droplink im not too keen with how the bike feels at the moment. It feels a bit 'wallowy' and vague in corners even on the mild trails i'be been riding. Forget jumps...my head is not there yet. Fox Factory x2 in the rear (160mm), Lyrik Ultimate 160mm in the front. Sag is set up as per Cotics recommendations (around 30% front and rear). I'm 90kg loaded up RTR. The lyrik got me there on 85psi with LSC and HSC basically open. rebound in the middle. The X2 got me there on 200psi also relatively open and close to stock fox settings for 200psi and what cotic recommends. 

DHR 2.5 front 20psi , Dissector 2.4 rear. 25psi

I get that it's such a loaded question and bike/rider dependent....but my head tells me i probably need a bit more HSC so it firms up a bit more in turns and feels less like a overly soft limo? i dont know. This in my first proper long travel Dualy too. maybe I'm just used to the 'support' you get on a hardtail.

I was going down supertubes at contermans yesterday and hit a burn quite fast, railed it pretty well, but as soon as I exit the corner it feels like the front wheel almost wants to 'flop', which causes you to steer with the bar...sit up...and sent me right off the trail into the grass haha.

enlighten me oh  chosen ones!

Edited September 19, 2022 by MORNE

[LazyTrailRider]

23 minutes ago, MORNE said:

I get that it's probably impossible to help over a keyboard but I'm going to ask anyway.

Dont know if its just my utter lack of confidence on a mtb these days or something a bit more related to suspension setup...but after two relatively big days out (40km+) on my cotic Rocket droplink im not too keen with how the bike feels at the moment. It feels a bit 'wallowy' and vague in corners even on the mild trails i'be been riding. Forget jumps...my head is not there yet. Fox Factory x2 in the rear (160mm), Lyrik Ultimate 160mm in the front. Sag is set up as per Cotics recommendations (around 30% front and rear). I'm 90kg loaded up RTR. The lyrik got me there on 85psi with LSC and HSC basically open. rebound in the middle. The X2 got me there on 200psi also relatively open and close to stock fox settings for 200psi and what cotic recommends. 

DHR 2.5 front 20psi , Dissector 2.4 rear. 25psi

I get that it's such a loaded question and bike/rider dependent....but my head tells me i probably need a bit more HSC so it firms up a bit more in turns and feels less like a overly soft limo? i dont know. This in my first proper long travel Dualy too. maybe I'm just used to the 'support' you get on a hardtail.

I was going down supertubes at contermans yesterday and hit a burn quite fast, railed it pretty well, but as soon as I exit the corner it feels like the front wheel almost wants to 'flop', which causes you to steer with the bar...sit up...and sent me right off the trail into the grass haha.

enlighten me oh  chosen ones!

The HSC on a Lyrik Ultimate isn't going to affect the feel you're talking about much, it's very difficult to discern any difference until you start hitting really big square-edged stuff.

Your setup sounds pretty mid-range, so my guess would be that you need to get used to adjusting your riding style slightly...

Maybe run 25% sag for a while and then work up to 30%?

Edited September 19, 2022 by LazyTrailRider

[PhilipV]

You're a big guy as well, so we're close ito setup. I'm running my rebound pretty fast though, it helps with small bump compliance and with popping out of berms and jumps.

 Compression (mid range fork and shock has only  this) wide open. 

 

But you have a bit of a learning curve there. the Cotic is looooong, with a lot of travel. Dis bietjie van 'n matras. You'll need to learn to ride more on the front wheel, and to bully the wheel where you want it. And then it will reward you for it.