And just like that it's gone !!

[Slowbee]

Times are changing my man....

 

I actually popped my head in the clinic a few days ago to ask why I should come work there.

Hopefully someone said no, but we will take your money.

[Escapee..]

Don’t conflate setting up a work cool work environment with that of licking somebody’s nuts. They are not the same thing. Only our old school ‘egos’ confuse those two.

 

You are losing sight of the whole point. From your posts I assume you are in tech?

 

In the tech world the best talent makes the company the most money. It’s more complicated than that (effectivity vs productivity etc), but that’s what it boils down too.

 

If a flip flop wearing hot Dev gets better shareholder returns than an average “8-5 Ja baas” type dude, guess who is more valuable to the organization?

 

Lot of people on this thread obviously missing out on this.

[kosmonooit]

I'm so over employing anyone. ....

[Escapee..]

anybody whoi asks me about pay / perks in interview 1 will not get a second interview. However if you ask me about the culture and values of the company as well as how the company treats its employees you are guaranteed another interview. its all about "fit" and we ant to make sure that company and the individual are compatible

 

The question why should I work for you isnt always about money/perks.

It usually has a lot to do with the culture and values of the company.

 

Job satisfaction and loving/enjoying what you do is very important to the younger generation.

[Gen]

 

 

Job satisfaction and loving/enjoying what you do is very important to the younger generation.

At some point some of the younger generation will realise that earning a living isn't always enjoyable.

[forkie]

The question why should I work for you isnt always about money/perks.

It usually has a lot to do with the culture and values of the company.

 

Job satisfaction and loving/enjoying what you do is very important to the younger generation.

Ed Zackery

[forkie]

At some point some of the younger generation will realise that earning a living isn't always enjoyable.

yes - but why shouldnt it be? our generation just bent over while supplying the vaseline. I really take my hat off to the youngsters who are willing to question the status quo and improve it

[Slowbee]

It's almost like you view every applicant as a jobless person, desperate and hard-up for the position that offer the bare minimum, and that they should be just too thankful for even being granted an interview. That attitude also probably translates to others that the position will be a dead end one for them with little or no prospects of growth. Or at least that's how it comes across and with what I've seen before.

I like this response Stef.

 

So first let me say if it comes across as old fashioned boss type be gratefull for anything we give them, that is not the case. That is not the attitude that is behind the dumbfounded comment at all. It relates to the response of one individual, not all responses. 

 

Any interviewee should be thankful (maybe that is the wrong word), possibly for being granted an interview, in other words an opportunity to sell their skills. Is that not what a first round of interviews is about? Selling your skills? Once you have sold your skills and you can see the company wants those skills and there is a bit of synergy between you and the company then you can start the negotiation of what the company can do for you if they want your skill set.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

Forkie (post above) mentions company fit and verbalised it better than me.

[The Ouzo]

I think a lot has to do with the position you are in when being interviewed.

When I was jobless I was just happy to get a job, but changing from one company to another I want to know that I'm moving to a better position (financially, environment wise, etc.), so then I'm going to ask the questions about why I should work for you. That way we can both stop waiting each others time if its not going to be mutually beneficial.

Slavery was abolished many years ago, you want productivity then you need happy employees.

[Slowbee]

yes - but why shouldnt it be? our generation just bent over while supplying the vaseline. I really take my hat off to the youngsters who are willing to question the status quo and improve it

precisely !

 

Especially when the job application already outlines everything you already need to know (other than the company fit you mention)

[Gen]

yes - but why shouldnt it be? our generation just bent over while supplying the vaseline. I really take my hat off to the youngsters who are willing to question the status quo and improve it

Because that is reality of life.

 

Yes they may question it but they will be told to pack up and ship out, there is always the next willing person waiting.

 

Maybe they will change reality, but as it is that is reality.

[BigDL]

I like this response Stef.

 

So first let me say if it comes across as old fashioned boss type be gratefull for anything we give then. That is not the attitude that is behind the dumbfounded comment at all. It relates to the response of one individual, not all.

 

Any interviewee should be thankful (maybe that is the wrong word, possibly for being granted an interview, in other words an opportunity to sell their skills. Is that not what a first round of interviews is about? Selling your skills? Once you have sold your skills and you can see the company wants those skills and there is a bit of synergy between you and the company then you can start the negotiation of what the company can do for you if they want your skill set.

 

Or am I missing something?

 

Forkie (post above) mentions company fit and verbalised it better than me.

 

It is just as important for the interviewee to get an idea of whether you or your company are someone that they would like to work with, as the other way around. If they only find out at a later stage or once they have started, that your corporate culture, personal style etc is not a good fit, then everyone has had their time wasted.

[SwissVan]

precisely !

 

Especially when the job application already outlines everything you already need to know (other than the company fit you mention)

Please, as a moderator on this forum set a good example and stick to the original topic.

 

You have been warned, but without the bragging point!

[BigDL]

Because that is reality of life.

 

Yes they may question it but they will be told to pack up and ship out, there is always the next willing person waiting.

I think that that was the case for our parents definitely, for some of us as well, but absolutely shouldn’t be the case for our children.

 

I love having hundreds of millennials in the workplace. So much better to have independent thinkers who will challenge and ask why than people who will just ask the boss as if the boss knows everything.

[Gen]

I think that that was the case for our parents definitely, for some of us as well, but absolutely shouldn’t be the case for our children.

 

I love having hundreds of millennials in the workplace. So much better to have independent thinkers who will challenge and ask why than people who will just ask the boss as if the boss knows everything.

For sure, reality would be a lot more enjoyable if things were easier and fun but some industries will never be like that because some jobs are just damn hard and unpleasant.

[forkie]

I think that that was the case for our parents definitely, for some of us as well, but absolutely shouldn’t be the case for our children.

 

I love having hundreds of millennials in the workplace. So much better to have independent thinkers who will challenge and ask why than people who will just ask the boss as if the boss knows everything.

i work for a German company. if you think the millenials in SA are out there - you should see the young Germans. they have no problem questioning and arguing with the the CEO of the company. they see it as their right. I love it! I believe all authority should be questioned all the time. this generation will change the way we do things.