Drugs yes or no?

[Ivanb]

Seeing drugs are the rage.

 

the question is should they be legal?. Should we say go for it  and everyone using them be open and then race.

 

Should we have drug races or drug free races?

[Man with no name]

I dont do durgs

[Poison Ivy]

I've agreed not to talk about drugs anymore

[Wolweseun]

I am so sick of all the doping stories

I was planning to go on one of the tours to the TDF next year, but now I am seriuosly reconsidering spending +/- 30K on watching a bunch of dopeheads.

I can go to the Grahamstown festival and check out all the junkies there and save a lot of money!

[amdretard]

But arent drugs banned cos they have health risk?

[slowjoe]

looks like you had a couple

[boeing]

Two things

Firstly, the cycling is moving in the right direction; by catching the dopers we are healing the sport! Or would you all prefer that none of us heard anything and knows nothing and be entertained by some farce?? because the big names are the ones also falling, it shows that a few aren't sacrificial lambs, I believe they are de-weeding the sport! It has to be done! THEY ARE GETTING CAUGHT! THE NEXT STEP FORWARD IS LIFE BANS, I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS!

 

Secondly, by making doping legal, think of the consequences; kids are already pressured to perform in school sports, hence why there are some drugs in school sports already! By making it legal, there will be nothing stopping kids from getting their hands on what they want! (Serious no-no and major health risks!) By making doping legal, could you imagine the amount of money lost through sponsors! It would be a huge step back as a society!

 

those points are only a few to ponder, the tip of the ice-berg if you will!

 

The guys are getting caught, tests are becoming more sophisticated and thorough (hence why no-one uses EPO now; same for steroids, its too easy to get caught!) and eventually there will be an end!

 

What cyclists don't realise is that there aren't major benefits with majority of the drugs. You can get better results with hypoxic training (which is legal)! Major benefits come from the means that help the athletes recover (steroids and blood transfusions)!

 

Doping should be illegal, because to make legal will be immoral, unethical and completely pointless! (do we really want cycling to become like body building)

 

[Saffa_G]

drugs are bad mmmmmmmkayy......

 

Quote that dude from southpark...the counsellor

 

[Joss]

Yes you can actualy die from the sh%t!!!

[linnega]

Allowing the riders to take whatever they want is probably the dumbest solution ever suggested.  It demeans the spectacle of the sport and would not have a fan following.  More importantly it means that any rider wanting to be successful in his chosen career is forced to risk his health in a sport where most people participate to improve their health.  Legalising drugs would result in a very quick death to the sport followed shortly by numerous riders keeling over.

[Canaris]

I think that there should be catergories for doping:

 

 

 

Life threatening dope (EPO, Steriods, and that type of stuff)- Life ban

 

 

 

Complex procedural doping (Blood transfussion and stuff that takes effort and money) - at least five years (almost like a life ban for a pro)

 

 

 

Proven and accepted making agents -two years plus monthly dope controls for the rest of competitive life.

 

 

 

Over the counter stuff (that only slightly affects performance such as excme cream and some antibiotics and flu medicine) - two warnings and then two year ban, depending on concentration in the blood/urine samples

 

 

 

Lying to your manager or coach, internal discipline procedures.

 

 

 

Also all first/second division teams must keep detailed training logs, nutritional plans and monthly fitness test data ext to be supplied to UCI on demand. All first division riders must report wearabouts to team managers and UCI.

[Irishj9]

 

Dont get preoccupied with the exact nature of the rules. Section 12 paragraph 6 etc. These are only guidelines.

 

We must insist on a higher standard. An ethical standard. Personal integrity and morality. All those who want the glory must be above reproach ( on the bike). Frankly I couldnt care less who they sleep with.

Irishj92007-07-28 06:31:37

[linnega]

 

I think that there should be catergories for doping:

 

 

 

Life threatening dope (EPO' date=' Steriods, and that type of stuff)- Life ban

 

 

 

Complex procedural doping (Blood transfussion and stuff that takes effort and money) - at least five years (almost like a life ban for a pro)

 

 

 

Proven and accepted making agents -two years plus monthly dope controls for the rest of competitive life.

 

 

 

Over the counter stuff (that only slightly affects performance such as excme cream and some antibiotics and flu medicine) - two warnings and then two year ban, depending on concentration in the blood/urine samples

 

 

 

Lying to your manager or coach, internal discipline procedures.

 

 

 

Also all first/second division teams must keep detailed training logs, nutritional plans and monthly fitness test data ext to be supplied to UCI on demand. All first division riders must report wearabouts to team managers and UCI.[/quote']

 

Souds reasonable but add that any positive test means that athlete in future must present himself at a lab and cover the cost of anti-doping tests.  Lack of integrity (ie lieing to your team) = internal disciplinary measures, which should be dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct.

 

[Delgado]

I think that there should be catergories for doping:

 

Life threatening dope (EPO, Steriods, and that type of stuff)- Life ban

 

Complex procedural doping (Blood transfussion and stuff that takes effort and money) - at least five years (almost like a life ban for a pro)

 

Proven and accepted making agents -two years plus monthly dope controls for the rest of competitive life.

 

Over the counter stuff (that only slightly affects performance such as excme cream and some antibiotics and flu medicine) - two warnings and then two year ban, depending on concentration in the blood/urine samples

 

Lying to your manager or coach, internal discipline procedures.

 

Also all first/second division teams must keep detailed training logs, nutritional plans and monthly fitness test data ext to be supplied to UCI on demand. All first division riders must report wearabouts to team managers and UCI.

 

Souds reasonable but add that any positive test means that athlete in future must present himself at a lab and cover the cost of anti-doping tests.  Lack of integrity (ie lieing to your team) = internal disciplinary measures, which should be dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct.

Imagine how many of us would then be dismissed for having lied to our employer by having taken dodgy sick days?? I'm gone for sure!! Anyone else??

[SwissVan]

....Imagine how many of us would then be dismissed for having lied to our employer by having taken dodgy sick days?? I'm gone for sure!! Anyone else??

 

Hmm Soo based on this  "confession" how would you answer:

 

Have you ever particapated in or taken any illegal performance enhancing procedures or subtances?

 

[linnega]

For taking dodgy sick days, your employer would be entitled to dismiss you.  In fact, if you fill in a leave form and sign that you were sick, you have defrauded your company out of a day's pay and could be charged.  All theoretical of course because we tend to create grey areas when it suits us.  As long as it is commonly accepted practice its okay.  Doesn't take away from the fact that lieing to your employer is gross misconduct for which immediate dismissal (even with our draconian labour laws) is a possible outcome.