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I am not worried, not at all phased about this guy and his performance etc, was trying to make the point that the system is flawed and we all know that so its not worth chatting about. Should not have bothered with this post will turn a blind eye in future.

I doubt seriously that they would substitute a guy that probably beliongs in L to D 8 or 9 groups up, and this guy never substituted. Dont have a persecution complex, like I said before I am happy with my start, ride and result, was merely pointing out that it looks as if the seeding process was not really applied in this instance.

No they ignoring your email because it probably has very little value just like your post above.

Yes thats the point , its open to favours.. Guess its who you know. I removed the guys times as someone pointed out how easy it was to find out who he was, that was not the intention, so removed it.

Hi they said first week in April. OrbeaOrca, we asked him at the expo where he was starting and he was coy and said he is starting when its still dark, so he was not telling at that stage. He is an aquaintance and not a friend, only know him from the PPA rides.

I have added the ones that should have been taken into account and he would not have even made the K group with those times, hence the post.

Me too. Anyways I have emailed the cycletour as they are the guys that should have the answer if they come back I will post the response, could be there was something else they took into account which is not evident. For now the current is you have to ride one of the seeding events: Burger, 99'er , or previous Argus if you in Cape Town and based on the best time you achieve in the above you will be seeded accordingly. Also I think PPA is different to Cycletour seeding, not sure about this though.

Well thats the point is'nt it, I understand my results and where I placed, what I dont understand is somebody who I have been cycling with for the past year in the PPA events and who finished way behind me, how he managed to get teh D start. There is no undertone, I cannot see how he got that start. As I said before, I am not attacking this guy, purposely did not put his name in the post, I am actually attacking the seeding process, which should not be open for special favours as it's not fair.

There are some of us that would like to improve and go up the seeding ladder, for us it is important to understand how this works, so its constructive to post in a cycling forum where someone more expereinced may have an answer. For those that merely cycle for th fun of it and are more social, I agree it would not seem constructive to you but then dont read posts that you obviously not interested in...Go do something more constructive.

Based on your past 2 editions, which has merit then because you must have rode well in the 2 past times?

Nope no sub 3 in his history and it only gets worse as you look back. I guess he must have known someone, I wanted to see if I was missing something but obviously not, only conclusion I can draw is that he knew someone who could make things happen.

My interest is to understand how this seeding works, I have worked hard this year to move up the ladder and put effort in in for the seeding events to get a particular start. I am not trying to find issues with this guy in particular, I dont care really about his time etc... What I do want to know is if the system is flawed and how it works. If you not interseted in knowing then dont read the post.

Sorry forgot to add the attachment its there now.

Hi I know of someone who was way behind in the racing season leading up to this years Argus, so when I heard he had a D start I was very curious to see his times on racetec, see below, I want to know how this guys managed to get a D start with these times? I have emailed the cycletour website to ask them as well, nothing but automated response. He woudl not even have made the J group start never mind all the way up to D Excuse the cut and pastes. Removing the times as my intention was not to attack this rider, more to confirm that the seeding process is open to Favours.

Congrats bru you deserve it, was going for the sub 3:30 this year and came in at 3:17 so I am happy, was 2:40 at the top of Suikerbossie but legs practically ceased there, and I had to limp home watching everyone fly pass me on the way down to the finish. Lucky they dont have a ghost rider for this one hey, maybe he did it for the fun of it this time

What do you guys think this Argus's effect will be on the racers in the new season, because of the great weather and the subsequent great results will this have a better or worse effect for us when PPA start using this as the base for comparison. Also if you want to work out your seeding calc for this race, is there a beta applied as its the actual race, so should not be? or have I got that wrong?

Congrats to the sub 3 guys, was aiming for the sub 3:30 and had a great ride, chatted to tube hunter along the way, went around the course fast and 90% of the course was on the 3:00 split time rather than the 3:30 My legs popped going down Chappies and then recovered enough to go over suiker bossie, at the top of suikerbossie 2:40 I was smiling but also very worried about the legs at this stage, it was all I vould do to ride on the left and free wheel, saw tubehunter pass me at the 10km to go mark. Limped over the line @ 3:17 a personal best and a great time for me. Next year hopefully I will be able to join this elite club.

Lol....

So no deals on Assos clothing?

Well if you do 37 ave for the Argus you will get sub3 so dont aim low.

Just talking from the few PPA racers where it was difficult to stick with you Cool see you sunday hope the calve muscle is healed. Will look out for that bike.

Dont worry about it dont think we looking out for one another anymore. If you going with your current strategy of shooting off the front of the pack to go catch the group ahead then we will keep an eye out for you

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I found that when I applied the Ice pack it burned like hell as well. Keep it on ice and elevate your legs when you laying in bed, worked wonders today it almost feels 100% Gonna also do the IDT perhaps at least you can control the environment and not be phased by wind, for this type of recovery/ flush the legs. Hope we 100% for the J group on sunday man.

I cant believe you have this too? I woke up on monday with this and was devastated. I planned on being on the bike this whole week just to flush the legs etc... Have not been on the bike since. I used Arica Gel and Deep heat and used the RICE method Rest Ice Comression (did not do this one) Elevation it has worked well especially the ice, leg is almost 100% today I will attempt a spin tomorrow, was very tempted for this morning but can feel still a twinge in the right calve when I stretch it. Hope you recover soon,