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[Patchelicious]

Lewis knew exactly what he was doing. Merc did the admin and they got an advantage.

 

Seb didn’t move the boards to disrespect Lewis.

 

Seb asked the crowd to not boo Lewis.

 

Lewis is the net loser here.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

If a driver illegally cuts a corner after a mistake and impedes another driver on re entry, why shouldn't he receive a penalty. In other sports intention or fault will not excuse punishment like it does in F1. It made for a disappointing end to the race, but surely the rules are evolving for safety. As has been pointed out a similar thing happened last year with Verstappen and Raikkonen. 

 

Its the fact that the rule is applied equally to all drivers.......

Or not in some drivers cases.

Edited June 10, 2019 by Steven Knoetze (sk27)

[WrightJnr]

Bottom line......

 

Once again pressure from Lewis forced Vettel into a mistake.

 

I don’t really care what happened after that.

[Patchelicious]

Bottom line......

 

Once again pressure from Lewis forced Vettel into a mistake.

 

I don’t really care what happened after that.

Do you only care about the parts that suit your preferred driver?

[WrightJnr]

Do you only care about the parts that suit your preferred driver?

“Preferred” is a strong description, but I do appreciate both of their talents tremendously.

 

My point of view (and I do come from over a decade of competition in various forms of Motorsport and my family has been involved for decades) is that we often end up in a debate over the “rules” in a racing situation that was filled with unknowns and opinions while trying to apply a rational conclusion to an irrational situation. You will always get a split view. For me, as a racing driver, don’t get yourself into that situation in the first place. If you don’t want a pass, don’t give them an opportunity and if you want to pass apply enough pressure to the situation and force a mistake.

 

I’m not a Lewis fan but as a reference, look how he handled the pressure in Monaco a month ago. Clearly the car was gone but he held his head and didn’t flinch. He did not open the door for one of these situations to occur. He never gave a reason to hand over his result decision to a 3rd party. He controlled the situation, I respect that.

[Steven Knoetze (sk27)]

I think even Brundle, a self confessed Lewis fan, agreed it was the lower downforce over that front from the back marker that created the situation. Not Lewis's pressure, but this won't convince you otherwise so just putting it out there.

 

Monaco, if Max didn't have the penalty the situation would have been very different. But again, a bad stewards call.......

[ScottCM]

If Vettle suffered downforce from the back marker wouldn't it mean that Lewis would have suffer the same lack of downforce from Vettle's car? I'know extremely little about aerodynamics hence the question. I like both driver equally and appreciate both their talents but Vettle has made way to many mistakes the past two seasons for such an experienced world champion. 

[WrightJnr]

I think even Brundle, a self confessed Lewis fan, agreed it was the lower downforce over that front from the back marker that created the situation. Not Lewis's pressure, but this won't convince you otherwise so just putting it out there.

 

Monaco, if Max didn't have the penalty the situation would have been very different. But again, a bad stewards call.......

Sure, the balance of the car would have been affected due to the back maker. But I would expect a multiple world champion with that much experience and be paid to be on top of his game to have come across a back marker before. Did it affect the car, for sure. Was the pressure Lewis had him under contribute to the mistake, for sure! Take that pressure away and I can almost guarantee he would have not taken to the grass.

 

Monaco, sure stewards made a bad call. But I’m not sure what you suggesting? I was making a clear example of driving under pressure and not making a mistake. Not on how that situation was created.

 

Again, let me say I’m not a Lewis fan over Vettel. But, you cannot ignore the amount of mistakes that Vettel has made while under pressure. I don’t recall seeing him do this earlier in his career. So, was the car back then “that” good that he wasn’t stretched, or has he lost his nerve to a degree. Then, same could be said for Lewis in the Merc currently.

Edited June 11, 2019 by WrightJnr

[Patchelicious]

“Preferred” is a strong description, but I do appreciate both of their talents tremendously.

 

My point of view (and I do come from over a decade of competition in various forms of Motorsport and my family has been involved for decades) is that we often end up in a debate over the “rules” in a racing situation that was filled with unknowns and opinions while trying to apply a rational conclusion to an irrational situation. You will always get a split view. For me, as a racing driver, don’t get yourself into that situation in the first place. If you don’t want a pass, don’t give them an opportunity and if you want to pass apply enough pressure to the situation and force a mistake.

 

I’m not a Lewis fan but as a reference, look how he handled the pressure in Monaco a month ago. Clearly the car was gone but he held his head and didn’t flinch. He did not open the door for one of these situations to occur. He never gave a reason to hand over his result decision to a 3rd party. He controlled the situation, I respect that.

Saying “I don’t care what happened after that” is a statement magnitudes stronger than “preferred”.

 

As a person who has such experience in motor racing, you should have seen first hand how important rules are, and no doubt how MSA inconsistently applies these in various areas and classes.

 

Vettel made a mistake due to pressure from another driver. (We assume this, but it’s likely). However one cannot say that we don’t care what happened after that. Rules of Motorsport are as much part of the sport as making sure you are putting pressure on the guy in front of you.

[Patchelicious]

Sure, the balance of the car would have been affected due to the back maker. But I would expect a multiple world champion with that much experience and be paid to be on top of his game to have come across a back marker before. Did it affect the car, for sure. Was the pressure Lewis had him under contribute to the mistake, for sure! Take that pressure away and I can almost guarantee he would have not taken to the grass.

 

Monaco, sure stewards made a bad call. But I’m not sure what you suggesting? I was making a clear example of driving under pressure and not making a mistake. Not on how that situation was created.

 

Again, let me say I’m not a Lewis fan over Vettel. But, you cannot ignore the amount of mistakes that Vettel has made while under pressure. I don’t recall seeing him do this earlier in his career. So, was the car back then “that” good that he wasn’t stretched, or has he lost his nerve to a degree. Then, same could be said for Lewis in the Merc currently.

The same can be said of the Merc now. It’s the best car on the grid by a long shot.

 

It’s much easier to apply pressure to other drivers if you have a more sorted car than them.

[bertusras]

It’s the best car on the grid by a long shot.

 

Is it really?

[gemmerbal]

what annoys me most is LH44's hypocrisy. and the fact that it appears that whenever there is a 50/50 decision where LH44 is involved, it tends to go his way.

 

I too am not a huge Seb fan, I reluctantly cheer him on because I am a Ferrari fan. He has folded under the pressure for the last 2 years, and clearly cannot live up to the standard set by Mr Schumacher. 

 

What also irks me is that LH44 goes onto social media and whatnot saying he wishes for tougher/harder racing like the old days, and then when there's a 50/50 call racing incident as we've seen, he complains about it.

 

I will say this: if he went on to overtake Seb on the track, which seemed like it was possible, the entire situation would have been different and I for one would not be on here hating on him, in fact he would have earned HUGE respect from most F1 supporters, including people like myself who generally cant stand the guy.

Edited June 11, 2019 by gemmerbal

[gemmerbal]

bring back multiple tyre suppliers - just make sure we dont get a repeat of 2005 (?) US Grand Prix with only 6 cars on the starting grid...

 

Is it really?

[Patchelicious]

Is it really?

I don’t understand the post. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

[Patchelicious]

bring back multiple tyre suppliers - just make sure we dont get a repeat of 2005 (?) US Grand Prix with only 6 cars on the starting grid...

Should do it for WSBK and MotoGP too

[gemmerbal]

yes, i dont understand why there has to be 1 tyre supplier. is the point of F1/MotoGP not to be the pinnacle of motorsport? why let that be influenced by a tyre that appears as if it was developed to suit 1 team only. yes it may be a cost saving measure, but we are talking about F1 here, not the Killarney Cup.

 

 

Should do it for WSBK and MotoGP too

Edited June 11, 2019 by gemmerbal