EZRider Posted October 12, 2012 Share @ Dracs: No insult meant. Edited October 12, 2012 by TZmtb Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Chancellara on Armstrong Swallow a few Kaffe Schnaps before and enjoy http://www.20min.ch/...id=0&vid=273708 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted October 12, 2012 Share No insult meant, you said you had difficulty finding my point. I clarified it for you. Whether you agree or not is up to you, no need to take the day off on my account. I was referring to this in your post: If yes to above I suppose you really do believe that Lance made them do it - poor little victims. If you think Lance is telling the truth and everyone else is lying that is a pretty hardcore way to avoid getting on a bandwagon but that's your prerogative. If you truly believe that because you have analysed the evidence you must know a lot more than the American investigators. And if you believe it simply because it is Lance and not, say Vinokourov or Contador, then you are adding weight to my point about being influenced.You say you make up your own mind. The question is: on what are you basing your decisions? Edited by TZmtb, Today, 12:07. Its all good. If it wasn't clear the victims part was my attempt at sarcasm. To be even clearer I actually believe the opposite. It is very easy to play the victim card when the game is up and you are trying to save your own skin. Credit to Hincappi - at least he is the one guy not going down that road. As for me believing Lance is telling the truth and all others lying, you really need to slow down and actually read what I said. Edited October 12, 2012 by dracs Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRider Posted October 12, 2012 Share Its all good. If it wasn't clear the victims part was my attempt at sarcasm. To be even clearer I actually believe the opposite. It is very easy to play the victim card when the game is up and you are trying to save your own skin. Credit to Hincappi - at least he is the one guy not going down that road. As for me believing Lance is telling the truth and all others lying, you really need to slow down and actually read what I said. I just did. Sorry.It's Friday.Let's take the day off... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield2010 Posted October 12, 2012 Share I think everyone is overreacting. Lance didnt dope. He never tested positive and why would he? Why would he risk his reputation by doping? I think this is a witch hunt by someone who doesnt like Lance. Maybe Jan Ullrich sits behind it all as he will now become like 5 time winner or something of the tour? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted October 12, 2012 Share I just did. Sorry.It's Friday.Let's take the day off... So we both get to go home after all! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted October 12, 2012 Share Lance is out, finnish, klaar. Unable to partake in any sanctioned sport, triathlon, cycling, running, swimming..whatever which knowing how much he loves his sport must be pretty hard on him. He is not trying to appeal or overturn it and accepted it. Whether he confesses or not it's not going to change anything, so what more punishment can he get. Sponsors pull the plug on him, get sued for reimbursement of prize money, sponsorship money, Livestrong get shut down, his bike shop boycotted etc. Is there a point where punishment is enough. Edited October 12, 2012 by scotty Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandacious Posted October 12, 2012 Share Lance is out, finnish, klaar. Unable to partake in any sanctioned sport, triathlon, cycling, running, swimming..whatever which knowing how much he loves his sport must be pretty hard on him. He is not trying to appeal or overturn it and accepted it. Whether he confesses or not it's not going to change anything, so what more punishment can he get. Sponsors pull the plug on him, get sued for reimbursement of prize money, sponsorship money, Livestrong get shut down, his bike shop boycotted etc. Is there a point where punishment is enough. i see sca are investigating claiming the bonuses back... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracs Posted October 12, 2012 Share Lance is out, finnish, klaar. Unable to partake in any sanctioned sport, triathlon, cycling, running, swimming..whatever which knowing how much he loves his sport must be pretty hard on him. He is not trying to appeal or overturn it and accepted it. Whether he confesses or not it's not going to change anything, so what more punishment can he get. Sponsors pull the plug on him, get sued for reimbursement of prize money, sponsorship money, Livestrong get shut down, his bike shop boycotted etc. Is there a point where punishment is enough.Maybe if they get his last remaining ball? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 12, 2012 Share Chancellara on Armstrong Swallow a few Kaffe Schnaps before and enjoy http://www.20min.ch/...id=0&vid=273708 Cancellara getting out of that contract? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie Posted October 12, 2012 Share Another point to ponder:Lance retired, but the rest of the staff, Bruneel and the doctors, stayed the same. Are we to believe that methods of traing and other things were different, when Contador, Cancellara, Voigt and the Schlecks raced for them? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1810997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted October 12, 2012 Share It is very easy to play the victim card when the game is up and you are trying to save your own skin. Credit to Hincappi - at least he is the one guy not going down that road. 'tis not a bad life this doping malarky: .What is George Hincapie’s net worth? George Hincapie’s net worth is $40 million dollars. Born in Queens, New York, George Hincapie is a road bike racer, currently racing for BMC Racing Team. He has won multiple races over the course of his nearly 20-year career, including Gent-Wevelgem, GP Ouest-France, Three Days of De Panne, Tour of Missouri, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, and he is a three-time National Road Race Champion. He is most widely recognized in the racing world as the key domestique of Lance Armstrong, and is the only racer to have assisted Mr. Armstrong on every one of his Tour de France victories. He has raced on nine Tour de France winning teams, and is one of only two riders to have achieved that number of wins, ever. He is also well known for his excellence in short individual time trial races, and has placed first, second, or third, in all but one of the competitions in which he has competed. He recently began a record 17th Tour de France. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1811002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 12, 2012 Share I think everyone is overreacting. Lance didnt dope. He never tested positive and why would he? Why would he risk his reputation by doping? I think this is a witch hunt by someone who doesnt like Lance. Maybe Jan Ullrich sits behind it all as he will now become like 5 time winner or something of the tour? Are you american? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1811004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
splat Posted October 12, 2012 Share i see sca are investigating claiming the bonuses back... I don't think that they will be too polite about it, seeing as they didn't want to pay in the first place because doping was suspected... Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1811005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp Posted October 12, 2012 Share Another point to ponder:Lance retired, but the rest of the staff, Bruneel and the doctors, stayed the same. Are we to believe that methods of traing and other things were different, when Contador, Cancellara, Voigt and the Schlecks raced for them? Out of this entire fiasco the one name that gets by blood pumping the most, is Bruyneel. Danger Dassie and eddy 2 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1811007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted October 12, 2012 Share Out of this entire fiasco the one name that gets by blood pumping the most, is Bruyneel. +1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/117304-lance-armstrong-banned-and-stripped-of-tdf-titles/page/119/#findComment-1811012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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