Lucky Luke. Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 Saw Bruce Fordyce on Tv in an interview with Ali BLooked fine to me Damn right, Fordyce's face has character - he earned those lines - Sly's face looks like an overripe grapefruit.
GLuvsMtb Posted May 27, 2013 Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) What if the banned substance does not give you a tangible advantage? I know some things I am on for non sport reasons, no advantage to sport but are banned. It may in fact make me slower. I think the point is the rules are rules, regardless of advantage or not.My point exactly. Why force the issue on a couple of rules but not the others? Surely that is cause to question the UCI, SAIDS and the Epic's objectivity on the matter. Edited May 27, 2013 by GLuvsMtb (Aka Morewoodmad)
FASST Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 As a close friend of Barry Warmback for about 20 years. I support him and his opinioins.
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 So I've been waiting for news of my fate over my doping charges for a while now.Saw Swiss Van asking in another thread what's come of the whole thing. I figured because I posted about it on this open forum that I'd keep you up to date. If only for interest sake.Received an email from the UCI today offering me an 'Acceptance of Sanction'I have no problem with this Sanction, in which I'll be serving a 2 year ban. I said I'll take responsibility for my actions. What I do have a problem with is paying a 2500 Swiss Franc fine along with this signed Acceptance of Sanction. That translates to a little over R26 000. Not a chance...! I thought there's probably very little chance any of you will ever get to see what any of these letters look like, so I've decided to attach them for you to read yourselves. The explanation I sent to the UCI and CSA was very similar to what I posted here, albeit slightly edited to make it easier for the UCI to read. My original admission of guilt here had quite a bit of slang and South African lingo in it, so I just omitted some of that.2013 05 30.r.explanation.UCI.017.13.pdf
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 Two More...2013 07 29.r.proposition.acceptance.sanction.UCI.017.13.pdfAcceptance of Sanction.pdf
mrbaker Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 I agree-tell them to bugger off!If it means you can't ride a UCI sanctioned event- does it really matter?There are only a couple in RSA anyway... ChUkKy 1
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 Well the letter stated that if I refuse to consent to the Acceptance of Sanction, then the UCI will ask CSA to initiate disciplinary proceedings against me.I've said I'm okay with that.Not out of arrogance, but I just feel as though that fine is unreasonable, and I'd rather see what CSA have to say about it.
straatvark Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 What I do have a problem with is paying a 2500 Swiss Franc fine along with this signed Acceptance of Sanction. That translates to a little over R26 000. Not a chance...! My first reaction was the same, but then I was wondering - who should carry the man-hour cost for your tests? Do you think it is fair that other UCI members sponsor it? Just for reference: I'm not a UCI member and don't read medicine labels when I'm sick. (Would probably test positive as well.) Pants Boy 1
Jaco-fiets Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 Well the letter stated that if I refuse to consent to the Acceptance of Sanction, then the UCI will ask CSA to initiate disciplinary proceedings against me.I've said I'm okay with that.Not out of arrogance, but I just feel as though that fine is unreasonable, and I'd rather see what CSA have to say about it. Pardon my ignorance but I thought the hearings took place and now you await your official ban for 2 years. Do they want to file criminal charges as well now?
mrbaker Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 What's the worst they can do- ban you from CSA events?There are enough races out there that it doesn't matter for a 'non pro / social' rider.I only see it being an issue for guys earning a living from their racing. And this is in no way me supporting light sentences on dopers- in general I support life bans for all dopers.I just know this situation and think there was ulterior motives to testing a back marker of your physical appearance... ChUkKy 1
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) My first reaction was the same, but then I was wondering - who should carry the man-hour cost for your tests? Do you think it is fair that other UCI members sponsor it? Just for reference: I'm not a UCI member and don't read medicine labels when I'm sick. (Would probably test positive as well.) A full screen test for all the substances on the Prohibited List costs R1260.00. An EPO test R1740.00.R26 390.17 seems a bit excessive.I was the only one caught, out of all those tested. They tested an average of 15 riders a day. Who's paying for all of those tests...? Edited July 29, 2013 by MTBaaisikilist
GoLefty!! Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 its all a monumental crock of **** DIPSLICK, nathrix and ChUkKy 3
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 Pardon my ignorance but I thought the hearings took place and now you await your official ban for 2 years. Do they want to file criminal charges as well now? Nope, no hearings yet.
Baaisikilist Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 What's the worst they can do- ban you from CSA events?There are enough races out there that it doesn't matter for a 'non pro / social' rider.I only see it being an issue for guys earning a living from their racing. And this is in no way me supporting light sentences on dopers- in general I support life bans for all dopers.I just know this situation and think there was ulterior motives to testing a back marker of your physical appearance... Seems trivial and insignificant, but honestly, for me, not being able to participate in events with my mates is quite punishing. I'd love to ride 3 Towers this year. 2 years of no events is really ***. Pants Boy 1
straatvark Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 A full screen test for all the substances on the Prohibited List costs R1260.00. An EPO test R1740.00.R26 390.17 seems a bit excessive.I was the only one caught, out of all those tested. They tested an average of 15 riders a day. Who's paying for all of those tests...? I guess membership fees or event fees cover the 'clean' (& positive) test's lab work. (I really don't know) But I was not clear in my initial question - it was more around the man-hours around the admin after a 'positive' was found in the lab. I do agree it is a crazy amount of money for admin though. Lets say it was more reasonable in ZAR - my question is still, who should be responsible for the post lab work man-hour costs?
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