NotSoBigBen Posted July 24, 2013 Share We always hear of the riders but who gave him the script?The Dr's and coaches are just as responsible as the riders. I thought we had established this would be 'procured' from non 'script' means .... and normally shady characters anyway! TALUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Mo Posted July 24, 2013 Share No. I didn't intend it to go like that. It dawned on me (thanks to scull breaker's nice post) that a true pro will know his stuff. If I'm a tax auditor, I can't be forgiven for making an error on my tax return. Me as an amateur, it is possible and perhaps even excusable. OK perhaps tax is a bad example but still. I didn't take the argument further...I simply haven't given that side of it any thought.Let it be noted that although I am suited to breaking sculls, I rarely, if ever, contemplate doing so. The people at the apex of our sport are no longer "convicts of the road" - they are highly specialised athletes. My point at the end is as JB said - professional cyclists do not do anything that impacts their craft/profession without due consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 24, 2013 Share My point at the end is as JB said - professional cyclists do not do anything that impacts their craft/profession without due consideration. I gotta disagree with this. People are people. Some pros study and take drugs on purpose, some get sucked into it by coches/team/leader, some chance upon it, some unwittingly. "Pro athlete" doesn't describe a person - it only describes their job. GoLefty!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Mo Posted July 24, 2013 Share I gotta disagree with this. People are people. Some pros study and take drugs on purpose, some get sucked into it by coches/team/leader, some chance upon it, some unwittingly. "Pro athlete" doesn't describe a person - it only describes their job.Point taken. That may well be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder Woman Posted July 24, 2013 Share But then surely you have to punish professionals differently to the poor dude coming 380 in the Epic just trying to survive? Sorry, I guess I am on the wrong thread here Let me go home and leave you to it. Edited July 24, 2013 by Wonder Woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 24, 2013 Share But then surely you have to punish professionals differently to the poor dude coming 380 in the Epic just trying to survive? Sorry, I guess I am on the wrong thread here Let me go home and leave you to it. Nope. One rule for everybody. A two year ban from riding the Epic, Sani2c etc is little more than a slap on the wrist for a backmarker - no financial penalties etc. SwissVan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield2010 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Ok I have a stupid question. Why would someone mask whatever they have taken with another illegal substance? Rather get 2 years for thinz than 2 years for EPO or am I missing something here?? Johan Bornman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZRider Posted July 24, 2013 Share What kind of idiot 'dopes' to come that far back in the fie.... .... Oh, wait... Ha Ha, thanks for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted July 24, 2013 Share Nope. One rule for everybody. A two year ban from riding the Epic, Sani2c etc is little more than a slap on the wrist for a backmarker - no financial penalties etc. actually thats not true since many companies have a no drugs at work policy. Random testing and a possitive for something on a list of banned substances can land Joe Blogs in hot water, even disciplinary or termination. How many non pro's research everything they're using and generally when people can obtain something over the counter they assume its legal and if it works for themselves and their peers then its tough to convince them to go and research whats in the pharmaceutical. I feel that the sports authorities and events organisers really ought to be more scientific in their approach, It is wy easier for a non pro to make an honest mistake so why punish them by placing their livlihod at risk? If one cannot be treated fairly why would I want to ride in an event? Garfield thats a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 24, 2013 Share Garfield thats a good point. Where's Chunky (note: not chunkymonkey lite) when we need some expert opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 24, 2013 Share Where's Chunky (note: not chunkymonkey lite) when we need some expert opinion Chunky Member Since 15 Jun 2005Offline Last Active Jun 15 2005 04:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 24, 2013 Share actually thats not true since many companies have a no drugs at work policy. Random testing and a possitive for something on a list of banned substances can land Joe Blogs in hot water, even disciplinary or termination. How many non pro's research everything they're using and generally when people can obtain something over the counter they assume its legal and if it works for themselves and their peers then its tough to convince them to go and research whats in the pharmaceutical. I feel that the sports authorities and events organisers really ought to be more scientific in their approach, It is wy easier for a non pro to make an honest mistake so why punish them by placing their livlihod at risk? If one cannot be treated fairly why would I want to ride in an event? Garfield thats a good point. Not sure I'm following you here. Typically companies have tests for dagga, cocaine etc. I'm not sure they test or care about appetite supplresants and EPO... Plus I don't think any company would fire someone for failing a SAID test. A 2 year ban from all CSA events is almost zero sanction to a non pro. He doesn't earn a salary from riding or earn any prize money or appear on SuperCycling etc. Edit: and alcohol for companies of course.... I think the drugs tested for in companies versus drugs in cycling are diofferent enough that your cycling positive will not impact on your job. Edited July 24, 2013 by Eldron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted July 24, 2013 Share Chunky Member Since 15 Jun 2005Offline Last Active Jun 15 2005 04:16 He was banned and his account was deleted. Came back briefly, but was canned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLefty!! Posted July 24, 2013 Share Not sure I'm following you here. Typically companies have tests for dagga, cocaine etc. I'm not sure they test or care about appetite supplresants and EPO... Plus I don't think any company would fire someone for failing a SAID test. A 2 year ban from all CSA events is almost zero sanction to a non pro. He doesn't earn a salary from riding or earn any prize money or appear on SuperCycling etc. Edit: and alcohol for companies of course.... I think the drugs tested for in companies versus drugs in cycling are diofferent enough that your cycling positive will not impact on your job. if you as an amateur gets nailed for using a appetite suppresant by CSA for example, you would be charged with using an banned substance. your employer gets wind of it and youre in hot water. Read your employment contract. Unless you have prescription, youre ****ed even if you were using it for innocent weight loss to get into shape or whatever Edited July 24, 2013 by GoLefty!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldron Posted July 24, 2013 Share if you as an amateur gets nailed for using a appetite suppresant by CSA for example, you would be charged with using an banned substance. your employer gets wind of it and youre in hot water. Read your employment contract. Unless you have prescription, youre ****ed Banned by CSA and banned by law are two different things. My contract contains the words illegal substance and alcohol over the legal driving limit. Doesn't say anything about CSA rules. Practically I don't see how your company would even find out and if they did no company in their right mind would try and fire you for using completely legal drugs like appetite suppressants, stimulants etc. CCMA would tear them a bew one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricochet_rabbit Posted July 24, 2013 Share We already have a two tier licence structure ie: you either have a racing or cyclosport licence.Prize money, provincial colours & podiums etc should only be awarded to those with a racing licence and similarly only those with a racing licence should be tested and banned. Baaisikilist and TALUS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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