PPA versus CSA

[GoLefty!!]

I have levelled my criticisms at PPA but they are picking up the balls more often than not over the last few years. That tells me they're listening which is a good thing

[DJR]

But the PPA are in the Western Cape .......whine whine whine and I won't do the Argus.... whine whine whine.

 

(obviously not aimed at you DJR).

 

Your spelling is terrible, it should read "wine, wine, wine......" it is the Western Cape after all!

[DJR]

Here is all you need to make a difference and get the PPA to work for you. Contact them and find out if your proposal is viable, and apply!

 

PROJECT FUNDING APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN

Applications to PPA to fund cycling-related projects in the 2014-2015 membership year, have opened. Applications must reach the PPA office by 12h00 on or before 24 March 2014. Read more now in the news section on www.pedalpower.org.za

Edited February 19, 2014 by DJR

[Cippo]

February 2014 – Cycling South Africa is in full support of the UCI's decision to suspend UCI rule 1.2.09 regarding rules of participation with respect to events not sanctioned by the National Federation. With respect to the recent court ruling, both Cycling SA and the Pedal Power Association have agreed that, in the interests of the sport as a whole in South Africa, Cycling SA will allow Cycling South Africa's Elite riders, all licensed riders and members to participate in the Cape Argus Pick n Pay Momentum Cycle Tour where Cycling SA's officials will assist at the event

[GaryvdM]

February 2014 – Cycling South Africa is in full support of the UCI's decision to suspend UCI rule 1.2.09 regarding rules of participation with respect to events not sanctioned by the National Federation. With respect to the recent court ruling, both Cycling SA and the Pedal Power Association have agreed that, in the interests of the sport as a whole in South Africa, Cycling SA will allow Cycling South Africa's Elite riders, all licensed riders and members to participate in the Cape Argus Pick n Pay Momentum Cycle Tour where Cycling SA's officials will assist at the event

 

That is some good news!

 

source: www.cyclingsa.com/Article.aspx?uid=2315

Edited February 20, 2014 by GaryvdM

[Pipsqueak]

There's something very wrong if CSA has the power to stop pro riders from riding any race.

[Gerhardvd]

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  For ten years PPA was very happy to manage and grow their events under the CSA umbrella. They accepted their responsiblity and liability with regards to levies payable to CSA. They also knew that monies derived from this income was used to create opportunities for our top riders. It seems a little strange, that now, after all the years of benefiting from being a sanctioned event, they decide to defend change their position knowing well, and accepting the mandate of CSA to grow cycling in South Africa at all levels, grass roots level as well as international level. The PPA knows well that, in able to do so, CSA needs an income. In the CSA business plan, their main stream of income has always been derived from levies on sanctioned events, such as Argus. This way the cycling community takes shared responsibility for growing the sport, and doesn't have to beg for money from sponsors, who, upon approach, the first question the would ask you " What are you doing for yourselve". Major events' levies are not for "sanctioning" the events, but in reality an opportunity for organisers of events to put back into the source (cycling) where they derive an income from. The other side of the coin, if the major events refuses to contribute through the levies, no growth in the sport, other than mass participation will be possible. Do not then at the next Olympics ask where our riders are - they are back home due to the lack of funding - but hey at least they will be able to ride in the fun rides!. So, to speak, Argus not contributing through levies required will be like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. So PPA, next time there is a Daryl Impey or Ashleigh Moolman, or Reinhard Janse van Rensburg, or Louis Meintlies on the International podium, please do not claim them to be yours, or CLAIM be proudly South African.
  

[carbon29er]

So PPA, next time there is a Daryl Impey or Ashleigh Moolman, or Reinhard Janse van Rensburg, or Louis Meintlies on the International podium, please do not claim them to be yours, or CLAIM be proudly South African.

This post is rubbish and shows a total lack of understanding of the issues.

 

The PPA was a member of CSA,this membership protected in the CSA constitution. CSA chose to remove the PPA and ALL their agreed rights from the constitution but expected PPA to continue funding CSA through levies and taxes on PPA events.

 

The court agreed that CSA should not have done this.

 

Fortunately with the removal of Fat Pat at UCI this sort of arrogance in the sport seems to be being dismantled. Hence the suspension of rule 1.2.09.

[carbon29er]

Another fact overlooked by most commentators, CSA spent R681k on travel and entertainment in 2012, the PPA fees paid to CSA in the last year of full membership was R612K

[slabs]

Other thing you forget, CSA wanted access to the PPA pot of gold.

[Gerhardvd]

This post is rubbish and shows a total lack of understanding of the issues.

 

The PPA was a member of CSA,this membership protected in the CSA constitution. CSA chose to remove the PPA and ALL their agreed rights from the constitution but expected PPA to continue funding CSA through levies and taxes on PPA events.

 

The court agreed that CSA should not have done this.

 

Fortunately with the removal of Fat Pat at UCI this sort of arrogance in the sport seems to be being dismantled. Hence the suspension of rule 1.2.09.

 

 

You seem to know a lot about the real facts. Now tell me, why did PPA, out of their own choice, not attend the meeting where the changes in the constitution were discussed. You also choose not to mention the fact that the change in constitution was not CSA's doing, but was enforced by Sasscoc. Failing this South Africa wouldn't be allowed to send a team to Olympics anyway - not that this would bother you at all, I suppose.

[slabs]

Maybe this is why: From the PPA website

 

In February 2012, CSA wrote PPA out of its constitution despite PPA being granted entrenched rights in perpetuity in CSA’s founding constitution of 2004; PPA having been a primary motivator for unification prior to 2004.

 

Amongst others, the CSA founding constitution granted PPA the rights to register our members and run our affairs as we have done since PPA was formed some 30 years ago, including the right to coordinate our funride calendar without requiring pre-approval or sanctioning from CSA.

Since February 2012, PPA has been trying to resolve the issue with CSA through various meetings, emails and other forms of communication, with no forward movement on the matter. In an attempt to finalise the matter, PPA has now filed an application in this regard with the High Court of South Africa.

“We are concerned that cyclists, and cycling as a whole, will be penalized through the lack of finalization of the current situation,” said PPA Chairman Steve Hayward. “We again want to reiterate that PPA did not ask to leave the CSA fold, and are resorting to legal means since all other attempts to resolve the matter have been unsuccessful. We simply want to continue as we have done since 1976, promoting cycling and the rights of cyclists in various ways.”

 

http://www.pedalpower.org.za/index.php/news/ppa-and-csa-the-way-forward/

Edited February 21, 2014 by slabs

[The Guy in Pink]

,Next time there is a Daryl Impey or Ashleigh Moolman, or Reinhard Janse van Rensburg, or Louis Meintlies on the International podium, please do not claim them to be yours, or CLAIM be proudly South African.

There are some of us here on the Hub, Gerhard, that have done a whole lot more to send our riders to complete overseas in the last years that the CSA has, especially the young developing riders , as well as Female cyclists.

To those who contributed to send the likes of Fire over to the USA, this is a tremendous insult.

[Gerhardvd]

Maybe this is why: From the PPA website

 

In February 2012, CSA wrote PPA out of its constitution despite PPA being granted entrenched rights in perpetuity in CSA’s founding constitution of 2004; PPA having been a primary motivator for unification prior to 2004.

 

Amongst others, the CSA founding constitution granted PPA the rights to register our members and run our affairs as we have done since PPA was formed some 30 years ago, including the right to coordinate our funride calendar without requiring pre-approval or sanctioning from CSA.

Since February 2012, PPA has been trying to resolve the issue with CSA through various meetings, emails and other forms of communication, with no forward movement on the matter. In an attempt to finalise the matter, PPA has now filed an application in this regard with the High Court of South Africa.

“We are concerned that cyclists, and cycling as a whole, will be penalized through the lack of finalization of the current situation,” said PPA Chairman Steve Hayward. “We again want to reiterate that PPA did not ask to leave the CSA fold, and are resorting to legal means since all other attempts to resolve the matter have been unsuccessful. We simply want to continue as we have done since 1976, promoting cycling and the rights of cyclists in various ways.”

 

http://www.pedalpowe...he-way-forward/

• Clearly we miss something here -
  
• CSA has to comply with SASSCOC guidelines.
  
• SASSCOC had a problem with the entrenchment of PPA, not CSA.
  
• CSA called a meeting, inclusive of PPA, which PPA chose not to attend
  

As he says, "we simply want to continue as we have done" - happy to work within the constitution and grow his business, but when it comes to paying his dues????????

[slabs]

And SASCOC has a stellar reputation?? Enough said

[jcza]

SASCOC...the sages in charge. Enough to make one weep.