canadonis Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I must say I'm really sad the giro has ended and glad Quintana champion but I'm sorry if I may offend some hubbers but can we really say he has won the race against the best cyclists in the world. Yesterday while the giro final stage was ridden the moto gp and French open was being played, in moto gp Marquez and Lorenzo had a classic fight at muggello till the last bend of the race what excitement..the French open had all the worlds top players competing for the title... Cycling races seems to be watered down and stinks of collusion by team management. Me as a cycling supporter want to see Quintana vs froome vs wiggens going at each other hammer and tongs to the very last climb so that at the end of the race the person standing at the top deserves to be there. Please don't think for 1 minute I don't appreciate wht Quintana has achieved but I have to question what it would have been like if froome was also competing. I hear that NQ is not part of the Tdf and wiggens is to support froome...WTF!!!! Why the heck can't the sky team go at each other as Hamilton and Rosberg do..make it exciting and the best man wins. Why team collusion u may ask, it's like giro was given to Movistar in exchange for the Tdf to sky. Froome and NQ are the best riders in the world at the moment but not competing against each other. Why can't the organisers uci or whoever decides dates change them to allow for the top riders to compete in all these grand tours every year without any compromise. All other sports allow fr classic rivalry Borg vs McEnroe, Schumacher vs rest, Rossi vs rest, Armstrong vs rest, Ali vs Frazier etc. why should we as cyclists supporters in 2014 and who knows how much longer not experience this rivalry. For me the Tdf is going to be great to watch as il always sit in awe of these supermen but it's not to hv the challenge and excitement of wondering who going to win...which to me is very sad FlashJordan 1
IdeJongh Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Part of me do agree with you, cycling would be a full calendar sport if we had year round rivalries playing out, but though due to the brutal scale of the grand tours you have to understand that these guys simply can't put their bodies through all of these and expect to be competitive at each one. Cycling is a different sport to tennis or motor racing. You don't see guys doing a full calendar of comrades style races, it's just too intense. That said - perhaps the UCI should take a leaf from the Cricket T20 book. Cricket was dying, and the only way to revive the sport was to adapt and draw in the crowds by pitting the best of the best in chewable action packed episodes. The classics (one day races) are just that and should perhaps not be tickered with, but how about creating med-length stage races, say 5-7 days, that cover the great climbs throughout the world and the teams get points for a race win, presenting a annual 'series winner'. Cup style road racing
Meezo Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 So this is about watching cycling? Isn't it better to be on the bike, cycling! Than to complain about watching it? Butterbean, nonky and Klaus 3
Eldron Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Ultimately humans ride tours. A human doesn't have 3 grand tours in him in 1 year (well he does but won't be in prime form for all 3). The European summer is also rather limited so all 3 have to be run in a few months. In years gone by the triple was done but not any more - training and technology have upped their game and it just isn't possible to bring your A game 3 times in a few months for a few weeks at a time. Motor racing is done on a machine in 1 hour segments every few week - riders can manage that. Tennis is a few hours every other day for a week - players can manage that. Ask Rosberg and Hamilton to race their cars for 5-7 hours a day for 3 weeks, 3 times in 4 months. It'll never happen. Spoke101, andydude, HowellingWulf and 3 others 6
Wez-O Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 With the three grand tours so close together on the world tour calender, the Giro and Vuelta are always going to have less of the stars than Le Tour. Moto GP and some clay surfaced tennis have nothing on Le Tour
rock Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Ultimately humans ride tours. A human doesn't have 3 grand tours in him in 1 year tell that to Adam Hansen (not a GC rider but still) - 8 grand tours in a row! Wez-O, Chro Mo and Spoke101 3
Chro Mo Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I think we have the makings of a rivalry between Froome and Quintana. il pistolero will become a modern-day Poulidor. Going to be exciting racing for the next few years...
igknot Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) If there was less racing the top guys would be at every race. If we drop the TDF and the Vuelta you can have your big show down. As for Wiggo vs FroomDawg. This is about bussiness. Team bosses prefer a win to a good fight and ending with second and third. This is a team sport. You need support riders to make is to the podium at the end. If you divide your 7 remaining supprt riders between 2 team captains. You won’t have anyone on the podium, let alone anyone taking the mantelpiece furniture home. Edited June 2, 2014 by igknot
Patchelicious Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) I think this was a slightly shortsighted rant. Think about what you are saying, the implications of it and what it means to sponsors. Firstly the sports are very different, F1/MotoGP are won on points gained over a season, Grand Tours are 3 week events on their own. Think of them rather as LeMans. I do not see the guys really caring about their UCI ranking points.... maybe that's an angle that could be explored to see more participation more often. NQ is a good contender to beat Froome this year in TDF, BUT he is not the only one. All the other big TDF GC guys also missed the Giro. You ask about rivalry? - Froome/Contador, if you spend 2 mins on twitter you can see its already heating up..... (check his wifes twitter feed) Perhaps you should start watching the big one day classics, lots of fun..... Edited June 2, 2014 by ArchedBackChinOut Max001 and Jakkals. 2
Eldron Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) tell that to Adam Hansen (not a GC rider but still) - 8 grand tours in a row! You left out this part: (well he does but won't be in prime form for all 3). Riders can ride multiple grand tours at diesel pace but to ride every stage at the front will burn you out - especially now that doping is harder. Edited June 2, 2014 by Eldron
Wez-O Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I think we have the makings of a rivalry between Froome and Quintana. il pistolero will become a modern-day Poulidor. Going to be exciting racing for the next few years...Quintana had better hope that every grand tour has only mountainous time trails though...
jcza Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I know what you're saying Eldron but I believe if the money is right (enough) the guys will line up to race. We need a redistribution of TV money, more for riders less for organisers. Munga offering more than TdF? Come on, its not right.
Escapee.. Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I know what you're saying Eldron but I believe if the money is right (enough) the guys will line up to race. We need a redistribution of TV money, more for riders less for organisers. Munga offering more than TdF? Come on, its not right. We need Lance back slowashell, Jakkals. and Patchelicious 3
Wez-O Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I also think that the Giro organisers should use real champagne on the podium instead of Italian bubbly wine :whistling:
DIPSLICK Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 I'm not biting....WHY DID YOU FORGET YOUR FALSE TEETH AT HOME :ph34r: BDF and slowashell 2
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