rouxtjie Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 100% agreed, and I think that's exactly the point, if you're not competent in a discipline or even some form of weapons training...hand over the bike and run!Even if you are, why roll the dice...they are after the bike / wallet / cellphone, not you. So neutralize by handing over what they want. Self defense as the name suggest is to protect yourself when you have no other option
Wyatt Earp Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 If you guys took the time to have a look at the other thread...you would've saved yourselves a ton of pointless commenting. A couple of self defense classes WILL NOT help you in a serious situation with armed assailants. Carrying a firearm on a group ride can put everyone in danger if you are dispossessed or start firing and the assailants fire back into the group. Klaar...there is no solution...there is no right answer. Lets move on. Lets be vigilant, pick our riding spots wisely...and just enjoy the ride. Pretty much the summary of what a few of us were suggesting before BatonMan and the other trolls entered the thread.
Fabian46 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Pretty much the summary of what a few of us were suggesting before BatonMan and the other trolls entered the thread.Yup!
seanrcb Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I ride with a small stun gun strapped to top tube but if they they catch me they can keep the bike
SwissVan Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I ride with a small stun gun strapped to top tube but if they they catch me they can keep the bike AND THE STUN GUN Fixed
Nayr Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Even if you are, why roll the dice...they are after the bike / wallet / cellphone, not you. So neutralize by handing over what they want. Self defense as the name suggest is to protect yourself when you have no other optionNo point in rolling the dice at all...and absolutely last resort. It just worries me when people carry weapons and aren't proficient with them, thats all.
Guest The Bushpig Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with what Wyatt said. A lot of people do self-defence courses or even practice "martial arts", but don't have the years of practice and muscle memory to apply the techniques in high stress situations. Further, if you aren't regularly struck by your opponent during these classes, it is a big problem. If a guy gives you a proper punch to the head/face and it's not something that you've experienced before, most people are so shocked/disorientated. that all their training counts for ****. True Dat. A good punch to the peanut is no fun. It is a shock to the system and makes things fuzzy and dark(those stars You see in cartoons; they exist too). Exit all plans for at least a second or two, if You are lucky. Not a bad idea to practise taking a beating from time to time, if You are serious about getting into a conflict when the need arises. I ride with Pepper Spray in the strap of my Camelbak(maybe not the best plan because sometimes one gets yanked off one's bike by the same pack; it might slide up over your head if they keep pulling on it. I just can't bring myself to stash the pepper spray in the leg of my bib, just in case I trigger it somehow and spray my own nuts... Next on the list will be a collapsible baton, which I must then learn to use properly. As said earlier, these things are just to make me feel better unless I get some training. Currently I avoid dodgy looking characters as much as possible when riding, which I normally have to do alone. Better to get solid advice from people who are trained and who know how to train others in proper methods of self defence.
rouxtjie Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 No point in rolling the dice at all...and absolutely last resort. It just worries me when people carry weapons and aren't proficient with them, thats all.sure and agree...Carrying a weapon gives you a false sense of security.
Guest The Bushpig Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Seems we either have or in this place.
Odinson Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I think that a topic that fell through the cracks on this thread is safe cycling for women. Not to sound like a misogynist or a sexist, but women are softer targets when cycling alone. Recently my wife and I were at a bike park and we split up, as we do different distances and trails. I've always felt safe having here ride on her own at this specific venue. About an hour after splitting up, she calls me and tells me that she found five dodgy looking guys loitering on a section of trail she was heading up - apparently one had a knopkierie or something similar. SY HET HAAR MELK SUUR GESKRIK! I immediately rode and met up with her. We reported this to management, but the security guards couldn't find the guys. So it's easy to say "just hand over whatever your attacker wants", but most times women are targeted not for physical possessions, but rather to be sexually assaulted. That is the harsh reality of living in SA. So, I think that if you can, prepare yourself in whatever way to defend yourself (not your possessions). Submission will not always guarantee your safety.
Baaisikilist Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/YBjU0gq.jpgThis is all the self defence you need. Nobody would DARE f*** with you in this getup...
Woestersous Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Thought I might learn something here........ I carry a knife, every day, whole day, except when I sleep........then I swop the knife for a 9mm under my pillow. Knife is a last resort if I cannot escape on foot or bike, I carry it on runs as well. Brown handled one is my current carry knife, light and not even visible with corporate wear.
BenReaper Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Thought I might learn something here........ I carry a knife, every day, whole day, except when I sleep........then I swop the knife for a 9mm under my pillow. Knife is a last resort if I cannot escape on foot or bike, I carry it on runs as well. Brown handled one is my current carry knife, light and not even visible with corporate wear.I also carry a knife of sorts,a multitool on my belt,but not really for self defence,more for work purposes.
Beast Tech Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Thought I might learn something here........ I carry a knife, every day, whole day, except when I sleep........then I swop the knife for a 9mm under my pillow. Knife is a last resort if I cannot escape on foot or bike, I carry it on runs as well. Brown handled one is my current carry knife, light and not even visible with corporate wear.You never know when you need to slice some cheese, maybe I should look into carrying one of these
Skylark Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 Thought I might learn something here........ I carry a knife, every day, whole day, except when I sleep........then I swop the knife for a 9mm under my pillow. Knife is a last resort if I cannot escape on foot or bike, I carry it on runs as well. Brown handled one is my current carry knife, light and not even visible with corporate wear.That brown handled knife is beyond vicious, looks like it's made for gutting animals in one swipe..
GlockG4 Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 What you do to protect yourself is your own choice, and we all can give advice and say what we think, but for the.love off everything that is cycling STOP telling people that if you just hand over your stuff you will be fine, that is horse ****! A criminal is has NO respect for your life and wont think twice about killing you. I am not saying that you should always fight back, but stop telling people that the nice criminals will let you be if you give him your bike.
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