ASG and trail / land usage

[eddy]

Where is it cast in stone that this is the purpose of a forum?

Barney and friends.....

 

"I love you, you love me" etc....

[canfan]

Where is it cast in stone that this is the purpose of a forum?

Ok well I guess that the end of this Forum then. Was good whilst we had it.   

[Cassie]

Surely if you use someone else's trails you use them for the features they have, you don't change it so that they suit your needs. The problem with changing trails is that they cant always be repaired that easily. It sometimes takes months for a piece of trail to be "ridden in" properly again. A response from ASG around about now would be good.

 

 

In fact...you t5ry to leave the trails in BETTER condition as when you found them!! That way, you leaver a bit of a legacy and make trail owners wanting you to come back and use their trails...

[NicoBoshoff]

Ok I think it's only fair I post this:

 

- I was contacted by Wynand from ASG this afternoon. He spoke to me at length about what happened or what could have happened to have cause what now appears to have been a massive miscommunication between all involved;

 

- Had he known about the DH community's involvement at Playgrounds they would have included us in route development;

 

- They have undertaken to restore the walker'ms path at Taalmonument and to help on our trails once the weather allows again;

 

- ASG is keen to assist in making our trails (XC and DH) sustainable and developing a race route that will last into the future;

 

- He apologised for what happened and I thanked him for that.

 

So as far as I am concerned the hatchet is buried and we move forward to better things and better trails.

 

Cheers

[Vangar]

Nice one. That's how it should be. No blamestorming. Fix the problem and something good comes out of it.

[Squier]

Exactly,

this is why i commented on this thread.

I am here to help and get help if i am stuck.

this is what a forum is supposed to be about, positive feedback and projects. e t c....

The last couple of threads relating to events have had a lot of negative feedback and the rate that the negativity goes, will most problably start discouraging organisers of events to arrange more.....

If i was a event organiser and i read the various threads after events, i would most certainly not be interested ot arange anything further in fear of being fed to the lions...

Please, do you think they organise these races as a public service? They do it because it's a lucrative business opportunity.

[cpelser]

Awesome!

Now just for fat noobs like me to be seperated from the  rushing 60km riders, and we have a winner for next year

 

Great when people can sort out issues, usually on Internet scuffles, the anonymity of it all turns people in self-righteous idiots.

 

Go Nico en ASG

 

Volgende jaar: Meer bier! 

[Rapunzel]

Organisers are not indispensible. Where there is money to be made, there will always be organisers. And when they can maximise their profit by cutting corners without being held to account, they will continue ignoring constructive criticism and draw short sighted participants with an "I'm alright Jack" attitude.

 

Landowners, on the other hand........

 

I no longer have a MTB race through my farm because my neighbours have entirely reasonably withdrawn access to their land.

 

As a rule, there is nothing in it for a landowner when a race uses his land. Treat owners with disrespect and eventually you can have your fun on the tar roads and in parking lots of the cities.

Eddy, you hit the nail on the head. Sadly, many events are not being run as a sustainable setup. Our (large) club spends so much time "cleaning" up after events held on our trails - not only the litter, wear and tear on the tracks but also the damaged relationships with existing and prospective landowners.

[LouisF17]

Eddy, you hit the nail on the head. Sadly, many events are not being run as a sustainable setup. Our (large) club spends so much time "cleaning" up after events held on our trails - not only the litter, wear and tear on the tracks but also the damaged relationships with existing and prospective landowners.

Event organisers must clean up the mess post event and leave the land in better condition than they found it. Period. This is not even negotiable. Otherwise ... you get miffed land owners and the long term sustainability of the event is doubtful. Must add, the riders on the Bestmed PaarlMTB Classic were excellent, hardly found any litter on the route.

[Nil]

So, i would just like to have my final say in this matter because some hubbers had their fair share at this one.

 

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

After all this, i think it was a good thing for this to happen, because it definitely opened my eyes to this sport in terms of sponsorship and organizing and the burden that comes with it.

I seems also clear based from the comments, that this sport does not need sponsors aboard, because there seems to be many. ( according to comments)

So i have decided to spend my 90k in a different sport that would appreciate the help, because after all, the proceeds would go to charity.

Thank you for assisting me with my decision

Cheers

[Shebeen]

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

 

 

 

Was this your first post or did it get deleted?? seems to be from a racer's point of view, not a sponsor's. I'm missing something.

 

 

 

I enjoyed the race and that is what counts for me.

If there are other issues that ARE BEYONED MY CONTROL then i let it be and the organisers must sort it out.

Bottlom line, if this event is going to take place next year, then i will be back.

 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

So, i would just like to have my final say in this matter because some hubbers had their fair share at this one.

 

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

After all this, i think it was a good thing for this to happen, because it definitely opened my eyes to this sport in terms of sponsorship and organizing and the burden that comes with it.

I seems also clear based from the comments, that this sport does not need sponsors aboard, because there seems to be many. ( according to comments)

So i have decided to spend my 90k in a different sport that would appreciate the help, because after all, the proceeds would go to charity.

Thank you for assisting me with my decision

Cheers

Boo hoo. 

 

So instead of ensuring that you are going to do everything properly (arranging landowner permissions, proper route planning, post-race cleanups, water tables and respect of existing trails) you're high-tailing it out of the MTB events world because it's too much work, and people complain when things aren't being done properly? 

 

If you have another look at the thread, you'll see that you have pretty much all the information that you'll need to ensure a smooth operation from a route planning and PR point of view, as well as ensuring that you have all the ducks in a row. 

 

Or did you just think it'd be a cakewalk?

[Hairy]

So, i would just like to have my final say in this matter because some hubbers had their fair share at this one.

 

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

After all this, i think it was a good thing for this to happen, because it definitely opened my eyes to this sport in terms of sponsorship and organizing and the burden that comes with it.

I seems also clear based from the comments, that this sport does not need sponsors aboard, because there seems to be many. ( according to comments)

So i have decided to spend my 90k in a different sport that would appreciate the help, because after all, the proceeds would go to charity.

Thank you for assisting me with my decision

Cheers

You are in my perception of your posting on this thread, just making your name "chop"

1. 90K ... if you were going to "invest" that, you would surely do so with a return of sorts, I am sure you are not running a charity.
2. you came across as beng "OK" with the use of off limit trails and features built by others at their time and expense, to be used for your benefit and profit 
3. my personal view is that "sponsors" who enter the sport to only make a quick buck and not develop the sport, who instead put the sports future at risk by potentially harming relationships or land access, are actually not welcome
4. you made your own decision in your last post as to what you want to do with your 90K ..... the thread is clear on what is deemed as unacceptable practice by organisers.

[Blackbeard]

So, i would just like to have my final say in this matter because some hubbers had their fair share at this one.

 

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

After all this, i think it was a good thing for this to happen, because it definitely opened my eyes to this sport in terms of sponsorship and organizing and the burden that comes with it.

I seems also clear based from the comments, that this sport does not need sponsors aboard, because there seems to be many. ( according to comments)

So i have decided to spend my 90k in a different sport that would appreciate the help, because after all, the proceeds would go to charity.

Thank you for assisting me with my decision

Cheers

The Hub always helps where it can.

[Hairy]

Oh, forgot to add.

 

Good on you ASG for dealing with the matter.

[marko35s]

So, i would just like to have my final say in this matter because some hubbers had their fair share at this one.

 

I was in the process of arranging a sponsored race for 2015 when this thread came up.

I could understand the frustration from an sponsor or an organizer point of view, hence why i said what i said in my first post.

After all this, i think it was a good thing for this to happen, because it definitely opened my eyes to this sport in terms of sponsorship and organizing and the burden that comes with it.

I seems also clear based from the comments, that this sport does not need sponsors aboard, because there seems to be many. ( according to comments)

So i have decided to spend my 90k in a different sport that would appreciate the help, because after all, the proceeds would go to charity.

Thank you for assisting me with my decision

Cheers

Cool, bye.

Edit - It's a bit odd how you appear to have gone, in the space of a single thread, from 'a rider in the event'

to 'someone here to learn etc'

to 'this place is full of moaners'

to 'If I was an event organizer'

to 'An actual event organizer with R90k'.

Seriously?

It makes me believe that you and the truth wouldn't recognize each other if you were formally introduced and exchanged business cards.

This whole thing looks like you were making it up as you went.