Cape Town Cycle Tour and the CSA Forbidden Races Rule

[Amberdrake]

Given the new stricter view mods have adopted for forums, I am quite surprised this thread has not yet been heavily edited my Mods. Just saying..

I think the difference here is that its still a civil dialog. Instead of the mudslinging lynch mob some other threads had. 

[BDF]

I think the difference here is that its still a civil dialog. Instead of the mudslinging lynch mob some other threads had. 

Imagine a world where CSA and PPA just kissed and made up, then decided to act in the interest of cycling and the cyclists and made the CTCT a sanctioned, world class, world record making, fun and fair event.

 

Unfortunately I can't participate this year anyway due to back surgery but for the 1000's of CSA LICENCED riders that plan(ned) to participate, it created a genuine and unpleasant dilemma. Sad.

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

And Jacob had no idea what was being built at his home? Despite what ALL the evidence shows.

 

You keep running these li(n)es about WPCA never agreeing to sanction the racing groups.  Maybe this is because Western Cape Cycling sanctioned the racing bunches, FACT.

 

Who/what is WPCA?

 

CSA withdrew this sanction in January 2015.

let me educate you then - wpca is an affiliate of WCape Cycling and like you say WCC sanctioned the event not the WPCA. problem is WCC cant sanction either only the CSA may issue a sanctioning certificate. my question - why does the ppa enter into an agreement with WCC to sanction events when they have a court ruling saying they don't have to - seems a bit underhand to me.

[DJR]

Given the new stricter view mods have adopted for forums, I am quite surprised this thread has not yet been heavily edited my Mods. Just saying..

I think this has been a civil discussion although it has meandered a few short paces off topic here and there.

[carbon29er]

let me educate you then - wpca is an affiliate of WCape Cycling and like you say WCC sanctioned the event not the WPCA. problem is WCC cant sanction either only the CSA may issue a sanctioning certificate. my question - why does the ppa enter into an agreement with WCC to sanction events when they have a court ruling saying they don't have to - seems a bit underhand to me.

You clearly do not know your own rule book. Best you ask the WCC committee that question. But I'll give you a hint: something to do with not putting competitive riders in jeopardy,  Just have a look at twitter to see the chaos brought about by your guys changing their minds on this.

[City Cycling Athletic Club]

You clearly do not know your own rule book. Best you ask the WCC committee that question. But I'll give you a hint: something to do with not putting competitive riders in jeopardy,  Just have a look at twitter to see the chaos brought about by your guys changing their minds on this.

safety is one of the salient points of the court ruling and the ppa convinced the judge it would not require the csa safety jurisdiction over its events. why then enter into an agreement with wcc ito safety. its totally contradictory to the nth degree.   

[carbon29er]

safety is one of the salient points of the court ruling and the ppa convinced the judge it would not require the csa safety jurisdiction over its events. why then enter into an agreement with wcc ito safety. its totally contradictory to the nth degree.   

If you are representative of the thinking at CSA it's not hard to see why they are in this mess where they are shafting the licence paying cyclists.

[Icycling]

If you are representative of the thinking at CSA it's not hard to see why they are in this mess where they are shafting the licence paying cyclists.

With all due respect I am too old of all of this nonsense - I would like to quote the IFP leader right now but cannot remember exactly what he said last week in parliament….

 

But I do understand the UCI point better than most - and that is if you you want to promote your event with champion cyclist their is a a “TAX” for that. The UCI controls the biggest cycling events in the world - From the Tour de France to what I have been watching live on DSTV tonight world track championships - while drinking lots of red wine.

 

When it was announced that a certain Mr Mark Cavendish would be riding the worlds biggest un sanctioned timed event - did PPA / cycle tour trust really believe this would go un-noticed by the UCI - you guy must be really stupid if you did! PPA / Cycle tour trust created their own hole and need to subsides that fact for there “stupidity"

 

Now the UCI have decide to push their rule forward which has been in play for as long as I have been cycling and you wanna cry foul - come on use your bloody common sense - it was bound to happen.

 

PPA I think you have gone 1 step to far and you may well find your "cash cow” / "CTCT is a windfall" been put in serve jeopardy! This may ultimately lead to the demises of PPA - how the wheel may turn.

 

Nobody likes TAX but we all end up paying it - be it VAT / fuel levies / company tax etc. PPA your tax is at least cycling related (not building huge houses / private hospitals shopping mall chicken run etc like for the president of RSA)  and that is paying to CSA a levies for riders in your events where Full licensed rider are been granted permission to raise the status of your events!!! At least it is kept in the sport.

 

I have re written this 5 times to try charm this down but that is as charm as it will get - RANT off!!!

 

[Dicky DQ]

After the great fun ride world champs, be the pros there or not, things will settle down and all the posturing will go away. CSA cannot afford to ban all the licensed riders riding in the CTCT period. 

 

What will happen if they do? I would say 80 to 90% of all licensed riders will participate the the CTCT. So what now.

 

CSA races get 10 or 20 riders per event if they are lucky.

 

The CTCT will carry on regardless, the momentum is to big now for it to die. Also what about all the other non sanctioned events, especially MTB.

 

CSA are on a hiding to nothing.

[Shebeen]

dunno what really happened here, but overall BIG PICTURE thinking was missed by all.

[GoLefty!!]

After the great fun ride world champs, be the pros there or not, things will settle down and all the posturing will go away. CSA cannot afford to ban all the licensed riders riding in the CTCT period. 

 

What will happen if they do? I would say 80 to 90% of all licensed riders will participate the the CTCT. So what now.

 

CSA races get 10 or 20 riders per event if they are lucky.

 

The CTCT will carry on regardless, the momentum is to big now for it to die. Also what about all the other non sanctioned events, especially MTB.

 

CSA are on a hiding to nothing.

 

 

And after the hiding we should continue to administer a hiding via other means. CSA is completely useless, manage and run by the same people whi have always run cycling into the ground. It deserves to die and it should

[American Flyers]

I feel sorry for top SA / pro riders because they earn little and they had to find extra cash if they want to take World Champs or etc...  

 

PPA had almost R30 million rands in the bank vs CSA had almost R5 million debts

 

I feel PPA should support CSA all along.... If my son / daughter want to ride TDF, how can CSA or PPA support them........

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I feel sorry for top SA / pro riders because they earn little and they had to find extra cash if they want to take World Champs or etc...  

 

PPA had almost R30 million rands in the bank vs CSA had almost R5 million debts

 

I feel PPA should support CSA all along.... If my son / daughter want to ride TDF, how can CSA or PPA support them........

CSA got there of their own volition - corruption, misplaced spending and greed

 

As did PPA - through proper financial management, controlled spending and restraint. 

 

CSA wanted PPA's cash to get them out of the dwang. That's part of the reason for the lawsuit last year. 

[carbon29er]

PPA had almost R30 million rands in the bank vs CSA had almost R5 million debts

 

That jumped pretty quickly by 50%,  Forget cycling, I'm finding out who the PPA Treasurer is if he can make 50% on their cash in a few days! And them I'm selling my bicycles and giving him the cash to invest!

 

In reality, we don't know what CSA financial position is as they have not published their AFS since August 2013.

[nonky]

Letter: Verifying Cycle Tour facts

February 20 2015 at 08:33am

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http://www.iol.co.za/polopoly_fs/iol-nolan-1.1820540!/image/688307501.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_300/688307501.jpgINDEPENDENT MEDIA

Once a cyclist is a member of Cycling SA, they are not subject to purchasing a day licence for any sanctioned event in South Africa, says the writer. File picture: Leon Lestrade

None of the facts quoted in the article “Top riders face Cycle Tour ban” were indeed verified with anyone at Cycling SA, says Michael Bradley.

 

Cape Town - We, as Cycling SA, are concerned that none of the facts and figures quoted in your article “Top riders face Cycle Tour ban” (February 19) were indeed verified with anyone at Cycling SA.

We understand the economic and tourism value an event like the Cape Town Cycle Tour brings, not only to the Western Cape, but to South Africa. We wholeheartedly support any event of this nature.

 

During 2014, the Pedal Power Association took Cycling SA to court to prove that they need not sanction their event with Cycling SA. Pedal Power were successful in their application and Cycling SA accepted the judgment handed down, and respects the decision of events to exercise their right not to sanction through Cycling SA.

The process of sanctioning with Cycling SA is a pretty simple process. Yes, there is a nominal fee of R6 a rider associated to this. The Pedal Power Association, furthermore, state that they are liable for R35 a rider day licence fee over all 35 000 entrants.

 

This is not correct. We fail to understand why they continually make this statement, as it is not the Pedal Power Association that is liable for this amount. Cycling SA has 26 000 members. Once a cyclist is a member of Cycling SA, they are not subject to purchasing a day licence for any sanctioned event in South Africa.

 

The day licences are there for the individual rider who may only participate in one event a year.

It is notable that there are further benefits to being a Cycling SA member. For instance, each member receives R20 000 medical cover as a benefit of their membership, as well as free claim administration of the Road Accident should they be involved in an accident with a vehicle.

 

During 2014, the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), the international governing body of cycling, suspended the “forbidden race” rule indefinitely. Cycling SA accepted this, and subsequently did not challenge any organisation hosting an event within South Africa or licensed rider that took part therein. On February 10 this year, we received notification from the UCI that the rule had been revised and reinstated.

 

We notified our professional teams and the Pedal Power Association of this fact. We also published the new rule to try and ensure that any foreign athletes in South Africa were aware of the ruling.

Many may assume that an event like the Cape Town Cycle Tour is on our national calendar and therefore sanctioned. We, as Cycling SA, are obliged to inform riders of the immediate reintroduction of this rule. We have written to the UCI seeking clarity of the rule.

 

We regret that your newspaper did not verify some of the facts contained in your article, which has depicted Cycling SA as an uncompromising federation. Once again, Cycling SA has tried to present a workable solution to the Pedal Power Association, without success.

 

Michael Bradley

General manager: Cycling SA

* The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Independent Media.

http://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/letter-verifying-cycle-tour-facts-1.1821190#.VObz9lpxmmQ

[GoLefty!!]

With all due respect I am too old of all of this nonsense - I would like to quote the IFP leader right now but cannot remember exactly what he said last week in parliament….

 

But I do understand the UCI point better than most - and that is if you you want to promote your event with champion cyclist their is a a “TAX” for that. The UCI controls the biggest cycling events in the world - From the Tour de France to what I have been watching live on DSTV tonight world track championships - while drinking lots of red wine.

 

When it was announced that a certain Mr Mark Cavendish would be riding the worlds biggest un sanctioned timed event - did PPA / cycle tour trust really believe this would go un-noticed by the UCI - you guy must be really stupid if you did! PPA / Cycle tour trust created their own hole and need to subsides that fact for there “stupidity"

 

Now the UCI have decide to push their rule forward which has been in play for as long as I have been cycling and you wanna cry foul - come on use your bloody common sense - it was bound to happen.

 

PPA I think you have gone 1 step to far and you may well find your "cash cow” / "CTCT is a windfall" been put in serve jeopardy! This may ultimately lead to the demises of PPA - how the wheel may turn.

 

Nobody likes TAX but we all end up paying it - be it VAT / fuel levies / company tax etc. PPA your tax is at least cycling related (not building huge houses / private hospitals shopping mall chicken run etc like for the president of RSA)  and that is paying to CSA a levies for riders in your events where Full licensed rider are been granted permission to raise the status of your events!!! At least it is kept in the sport.

 

I have re written this 5 times to try charm this down but that is as charm as it will get - RANT off!!!

 

 

 

 

sorry boet but you know UCI is a mafia right, kinda like FIFA. You really want to shout out support for their practices?

 

Sure the UCI can posture all they want but the rule is prety clear that the local governing body can decide to sanction an eevent if it is in the interest of cycling. CTCT being the largest time event in the world that draws people from around the world to Cape Town to celebrate cycling and the UCi wants to undermine this......really........I mean reallly.....

 

As the south american mercenary stated,

 

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CSA got there of their own volition - corruption, misplaced spending and greed

 

As did PPA - through proper financial management, controlled spending and restraint. 

 

CSA wanted PPA's cash to get them out of the dwang. That's part of the reason for the lawsuit last year. "

 

this is just an ongojng impasse between CSA trying to get hold of a cash cow without having to work for it. Sort of lik present government thinking, steal it rather than work for it". I wonder where you stand of present government policies or we only supporting corruption when it suits us?

 

CTCT will be there next with or without Cab and co. and the next year and the next year. PPA will be there next year and the year after and the year after because theres enough clever and passionate people out there who can run it. As for CSA its a closed shop always has been always will be