Cyclists with a "Running" Problem

[Mudsimus]

Stupid question from a non-Nike runner, who is obviously intrigued by the Vaporfly. Are these the cheaper version thereof basically - and what is compromised?

 

And... longevity? I see wildly varying reports. Also, are these meant for heel strikers more than forefoot to midfoot? (Based on biggish drop and the cushioning.)

 

Yes, I'm very curious...

There is a pic of a pair of Vapor Flys on Instagram that did 3500km. They are absolutely ruined though.

 

From what Ive read on other forums is that you can expect 500km from Flys and less from the Vapors, with exceptions.

 

The Flys doesn't have the carbon plate, only a nylon plate, and the Vapors doesn't have fly wire.

 

Im a heel/midfoot striker. But at faster pace with Zoom Fly I dont land on my heel. At slower pace they ran really well will some heel impact. The heel and midfoot cushioning are out of this world, but the forefoot not so much. You definitely notice the plate.

[Chris_]

After 13 months of running, I’m doing my second 21.1Km on Sunday.

 

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Dischem?

[SeaBee]

3500 k's on a pair of (racing!) shoes?!    And I impressed the Saucony salesman when he heard about my mileage on Kinvaras... 

 

Mostly run striking front outside first. Basically below the "ball" of my outside two toes.

[Ferret69]

There is a pic of a pair of Vapor Flys on Instagram that did 3500km. They are absolutely ruined though.

 

From what Ive read on other forums is that you can expect 500km from Flys and less from the Vapors, with exceptions.

 

The Flys doesn't have the carbon plate, only a nylon plate, and the Vapors doesn't have fly wire.

 

Im a heel/midfoot striker. But at faster pace with Zoom Fly I dont land on my heel. At slower pace they ran really well will some heel impact. The heel and midfoot cushioning are out of this world, but the forefoot not so much. You definitely notice the plate.

 

 

 

3500km on VF? I find that very hard to believe..

 

I've just gone over 500km on my first pair (incl Comrades/Oceans Ultra and 2 Marathons) and they are very near their shelf life, most of the bounce and foam is pretty flat, and I weigh under 65kgs.. they were the Original VF

 

The New Flyknit Version VF are an even better shoe but cant see me getting much more on those either, I'm on about 80kms now..

 

I have mates who ran a Single Marathon, Kaapsehoop in their brand new VFs out the box and they were smashed after only 42kms of downhill.

 

I am past 600km on a few pairs of the Epic Reacts and they will probably get closer to 800kms if I need them too.

 

My Zoom Flys arrive tomorrow.

 

The VF are without doubt the best "racing" Shoe ever made... IMHO

[Barry Stuart]

3500 k's on a pair of (racing!) shoes?!    And I impressed the Saucony salesman when he heard about my mileage on Kinvaras... 

 

Mostly run striking front outside first. Basically below the "ball" of my outside two toes.

 

How much did you get out of the Kinvaras? Also, how have you found the shoe? I've been really impressed with my Saucony Rides as a training and distance shoe but love my Boston Boosts for shorter distances and speed work. Is the Kinvara a decent comparison to the Boston?

[Jackes]

What do you currently run in - and why switch? 

 

​But to answer the question regarding the Peregrines - I have an old pair of Peregrine 5's which is still working fine and no tears after plenty of abuse. But the 5's did actually have some issues - a buddy of mine also had his tear. But many others did not. I also have a newer pair of 8's now and thusfar they're working just fine for me. 

 

Another friend has just gotten some NB which he gave some positive feedback on. And a couple of the guys and girls actually switched to... I think it's North Face? for trail shoes.

 

I and 3 of my friends are on the NB 910's, now they are now on the summit KOM.   His wife has the peregrine 8's and swear it is the best ever.   I do have a pair of road Triumph's and know how great they feel, thus me wondering to perhaps give the peregrines a try after a lot of good feedback.

 

So I'm just sitting between knowing how trustworthy the NB is and perhaps taking a chance with an even better pair in the peregrine.

[SeaBee]

Barry, it was a few iterations back, but the guys was shocked to hear I got 850 out of them. He said mostly 400-450, most he's heard of was almost 600. But they were pretty much stuffed at the end, wrung the last bit of k's out of them on short runs.

 

I liked them, but they had a bit of a bump (for support) under the arch, which irritated me when I was thinking about it. Really nice and light shoes. I prefer the Freedom ISO, though. Cannot compare to the Bostons, as I have not used them. 

 

The Rides are my current "long run" and recovery run shoes. Kinvara is a totally different beast to them. Much more flat/open shoe, but both have ore than enough toe space - maybe more so in the Kinvara than Ride. Weird thing about the Ride is it feels like I'm running on a ledge on the outside of the foot/shoe that is a really weird feeling.

 

So current state of my shoe inventory is that I use Rides as described, NB FF Zante (v4) for day-to-day, Freedom shorter (longest was a 30) races and odd training run.

 

I'm rambling on and don't know whether it's helping you at all... 

[Frosty]

Dischem?

Yebo.

[Chris_]

Yebo.

 

Nice one. Save some gas for the second half, I've heard it gets spicy then.

 

Good Luck!

[Mudsimus]

3500km on VF? I find that very hard to believe..

 

I've just gone over 500km on my first pair (incl Comrades/Oceans Ultra and 2 Marathons) and they are very near their shelf life, most of the bounce and foam is pretty flat, and I weigh under 65kgs.. they were the Original VF

 

The New Flyknit Version VF are an even better shoe but cant see me getting much more on those either, I'm on about 80kms now..

 

I have mates who ran a Single Marathon, Kaapsehoop in their brand new VFs out the box and they were smashed after only 42kms of downhill.

 

I am past 600km on a few pairs of the Epic Reacts and they will probably get closer to 800kms if I need them too.

 

My Zoom Flys arrive tomorrow.

 

The VF are without doubt the best "racing" Shoe ever made... IMHO

Zoom fly, not Vapor. There is thread on Lets run about it. The guy used duct tape to keep the shoe together and patch holes. But he ran 3500km.

[Mats]

Barry, i got 750 with my kinvaras.

The freedom ISO is much nicer for my feet. My current Freedoms are on 600 and still good.

I have done a marathon with the freedoms and the kinvaras and i prefer the freedoms.

I cannot compare to anything else as I am have not used anything else.

I have just brought another pair om freedoms to use on my long runs (21km) the other runs will be in my old pair.

[Stretch]

After 13 months of running, I’m doing my second 21.1Km on Sunday.

 

The program that Hacc refers to took 14 weeks from 0-10K. The 21.1Km plan (which I didn’t follow was another 6 weeks). As my max limit is 21.1Km, I haven’t looked at any 42.2Km plans. Worst case, I’d imagine that you (Allrounder) have more than enough time.

 

My advice, from limited experience, is to start slow and build up incrementally. Follow the 8 weeks to get to 5Km, then the rest of the incremental distances should be about 6 weeks.

 

So:

 

8 weeks: 0-5Km

6 weeks: 5-10Km

6 weeks: 10-21Km

6 weeks: 21-32Km

6 weeks: 32-42.2Km

 

That’s 32 weeks, or end of August, if you start now. Less than 10% load per week including recovery time, and it’s doable.

 

My 2c worth. Good luck, it gets easier the longer you keep at it.

Frosty... Please send this plan to me. My sister in law is running her first 21 I'm march sometime. She has a bit of base so should be able to pick it up a couple of weeks in

[Frosty]

Frosty... Please send this plan to me. My sister in law is running her first 21 I'm march sometime. She has a bit of base so should be able to pick it up a couple of weeks in

Will share on the weekend when I get home (business trip).

[Andrew Steer]

Nice one. Save some gas for the second half, I've heard it gets spicy then.

 

Good Luck!

Yeah, first half is fast, then from about 12kms you head up, with it kicking more noticeably around the 14km mark, peaking at 18km odd - last 2-3km is largely fast downhill where the PTS from last years Comrades down run kicks in...

 

This is all from vague memory, but should give you the gist. Enjoy Frosty, this year I've promised myself I will take is very slow and sensibly  ​ 

[Frosty]

Yeah, first half is fast, then from about 12kms you head up, with it kicking more noticeably around the 14km mark, peaking at 18km odd - last 2-3km is largely fast downhill where the PTS from last years Comrades down run kicks in...

 

This is all from vague memory, but should give you the gist. Enjoy Frosty, this year I've promised myself I will take is very slow and sensibly ​

Thanks.

 

I also made promises for this year... semi-structured training to keep fit, and be able to complete certain events with ease. And to just enjoy the runs/rides. If I get any PBs, bonus - just no injuries from over-doing it.

[Barry Stuart]

Barry, i got 750 with my kinvaras.

The freedom ISO is much nicer for my feet. My current Freedoms are on 600 and still good.

I have done a marathon with the freedoms and the kinvaras and i prefer the freedoms.

I cannot compare to anything else as I am have not used anything else.

I have just brought another pair om freedoms to use on my long runs (21km) the other runs will be in my old pair.

 

Barry, it was a few iterations back, but the guys was shocked to hear I got 850 out of them. He said mostly 400-450, most he's heard of was almost 600. But they were pretty much stuffed at the end, wrung the last bit of k's out of them on short runs.

 

I liked them, but they had a bit of a bump (for support) under the arch, which irritated me when I was thinking about it. Really nice and light shoes. I prefer the Freedom ISO, though. Cannot compare to the Bostons, as I have not used them. 

 

The Rides are my current "long run" and recovery run shoes. Kinvara is a totally different beast to them. Much more flat/open shoe, but both have ore than enough toe space - maybe more so in the Kinvara than Ride. Weird thing about the Ride is it feels like I'm running on a ledge on the outside of the foot/shoe that is a really weird feeling.

 

So current state of my shoe inventory is that I use Rides as described, NB FF Zante (v4) for day-to-day, Freedom shorter (longest was a 30) races and odd training run.

 

I'm rambling on and don't know whether it's helping you at all... 

 

Thanks, guys. I'm keen to give them a try as everybody who has run in them seems to love them. The shape of the Saucony Rides suit my foot well so if that wide toe box and foot-hugging heel carry through to the Kinvaras then they should be good. That Everun foam is apparently very close to the Boost foam as well.