Chris Froome's numbers released

[nochain]

TOPIC says :

 

Froomes Numbers , nothing about Astana , nothing About Lance anyone else but Froom, so when reading a topic that states Froomes Data and you see all stuff concerning Froom ,why would you complain that we are not talking about Astana? This topic is clearly dedicated to Frooms Data.

 

Im sure we start a new topic for Astana if you wana talk about them , don't you think  

 

Ok back to HR, im not accusing gents just asking the questions.

 

So we saying that because of fatigue his HR is lower than what it would be, meaning his performance is not as good as can be?

 

So in this fatigued state he produced the fastest time up ventoux "clean" even challenging the times set by previous winners that was "dirty" ,

So in a nut shell a clean Froom that is fatigued is just as strong/fast as a doped Lance and others?

 

 

Numbers as revealed means nothing by itself as ,Contidors/Quintana and others have had the best of Froom on numerous occasions, meaning they produce similar power and they are all in that ball park, the problem comes in when you open a 60sec( as he did this year) on Quintana on a single climb, Or like he did up ventoux dropping everyone.

 

If he was stronger then everyone else "superhuman" as per ventoux climb ( faster then doped guys) then he should be able to run away from components at free will.

 

BTW Have nothing against Froom and believe he is clean, but a lot of smoke normally= Fire

You got the Hrt versus power all wrong...Hrt fatigue does not mean you are not able to produce the same "speed" as when fresh. It just means that the Hrt will respond slower at a given speed.

And Lance and all of then had Fatigue when they did those climbs...nobody goes up the final climb of a mountain stage "fresh" and the big climbs are generally during the same stages of the tour so fatigue will be much the same.

 

Quintana has never opened up a 60 sec gap on Froome in no time?

You can't view an climb like that in isolation and then make up your mind on if he is doping or not. Many factors determine the speed of a rider on a climb like that and many factors determine the other riders speed on the same climb on the same day.

Some days you are the hammer and some days you are the nail...that's the way it goes at that level.

With less than 1% difference in power numbers if you have just a slight off day then 60seconds is nothing!

Tejay was one of the guys that came out in support to Chris after that big stage win this year. He basically said that looking at his own power numbers on the day he did not ride at close to what he normally would be able to do and he could not explain why but he knows that he was on a slight bad day. Yet he finished not far behind Froome so to him it made sense based on what he knows he can do.

[gurns]

Bilharzia takes years to shake off, and DEFINITELY takes a huge edge off your potential.

I have had it, and I cannot comprehend how he achieved what he did with that handicap hanging over him.

Respect !

[jcza]

Bilharzia takes years to shake off, and DEFINITELY takes a huge edge off your potential.

I have had it, and I cannot comprehend how he achieved what he did with that handicap hanging over him.

Respect !

 

Don't forget body fat sitting at close to 17% in 2007. 

[Andrew Steer]

Just a few things from my side...

 

 

At least Froome is publishing his numbers, trying to do the right things - where are the rest of the clowns. Why do people not care about them? All this vitriol should really be focused on Astana if anything! And the bloody UCI for allowing money to once again define the sport.

 

Stats versus performance? Lots of top top engines that never get anywhere near the top of cycling... It's one of several cogs required to make it in pro cycling.

 

Froome not getting results in SA? Hilarious for so many reasons... race types, his age, him riding for team captains etc Ross Tucker is throwing name there 

 

There are two alarm bells for me with Chris - the timing of his Vuelta break through - he was about to be let go by Sky, might well have been the end of his cycling career - desperate times can lead most people to desperate measures.

 

Brailsford saying he doesn't test his riders... after harping on about marginal gains for the last decade   

Two bits of smoke - could draw up a list longer than my arm for most of the top guys... and that's why you will find me in Chris's corner

[Stricker]

You got the Hrt versus power all wrong...Hrt fatigue does not mean you are not able to produce the same "speed" as when fresh. It just means that the Hrt will respond slower at a given speed.

And Lance and all of then had Fatigue when they did those climbs...nobody goes up the final climb of a mountain stage "fresh" and the big climbs are generally during the same stages of the tour so fatigue will be much the same.

 

Quintana has never opened up a 60 sec gap on Froome in no time?

You can't view an climb like that in isolation and then make up your mind on if he is doping or not. Many factors determine the speed of a rider on a climb like that and many factors determine the other riders speed on the same climb on the same day.

Some days you are the hammer and some days you are the nail...that's the way it goes at that level.

With less than 1% difference in power numbers if you have just a slight off day then 60seconds is nothing!

Tejay was one of the guys that came out in support to Chris after that big stage win this year. He basically said that looking at his own power numbers on the day he did not ride at close to what he normally would be able to do and he could not explain why but he knows that he was on a slight bad day. Yet he finished not far behind Froome so to him it made sense based on what he knows he can do.

Come I ask you this question.

 

If you do a 60min FTP test everyday for 5 days when do you think your best results would occur? Day 1 ,2 or day 5?

 

Now if you had a Heart Rate Monitor on during these test , when do you think your heart rate would be highest, lowest and when will you get the best results?

 

If what you are implying is correct , then we wasting our time with rest days( when you reached your peak) ,as you stated above have nothing to do with power output. 

 

Based on my personal experience( yes I ride with power and HR) low HR does effect power.

 

Back to Froom.

 

Its Froom that opened 60sec on Quintana 2015 TDF

Same like he did on ventoux  against everyone.

[Jakkals.]

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[SwissVan]

 

 

If you do a 60min FTP test everyday for 5 days when do you think your best results would occur? Day 1 ,2 or day 5?

 

 

 

OMGosh you have just given someone a good *** nasty idea for an online challenge

[nochain]

Come I ask you this question.

 

If you do a 60min FTP test everyday for 5 days when do you think your best results would occur? Day 1 ,2 or day 5?

 

Now if you had a Heart Rate Monitor on during these test , when do you think your heart rate would be highest, lowest and when will you get the best results?

 

If what you are implying is correct , then we wasting our time with rest days( when you reached your peak) ,as you stated above have nothing to do with power output. 

 

Based on my personal experience( yes I ride with power and HR) low HR does effect power.

 

Back to Froom.

 

Its Froom that opened 60sec on Quintana 2015 TDF

Same like he did on ventoux  against everyone.

It's the lag/response time of the hrt that you need to focus on. Not the relationship to power. That's what I have been saying the whole time.

The example you used was a short maximum type(1000 watts) of effort with very little response in the Hrt.

The response of the Hrt is slower under fatigue for short hard efforts and even slower for trained athletes under fatigue.

Ftp is a whole different thing, that relationship is much closer because the Hrt will "catch up" over time with a longer effort.

 

Quintana put in more than a minute into Froome during the final mountain stage. In fact if you look at the time spend in the Mountains alone I think Quintana was faster on avg on all climbs combined.

If you look at the 2 riders both look like climbers...the one is small and light and the other is tall and thin as hell. We not talking Lance or Indurain here(big riders).....if a rider looks like Quintana or Froome I expect them to fly up mountains. I also expect them to accelerate fast when the gradient goes steep..it's just natural.

[Jakkals.]

You got the Hrt versus power all wrong...Hrt fatigue does not mean you are not able to produce the same "speed" as when fresh. It just means that the Hrt will respond slower at a given speed.

And Lance and all of then had Fatigue when they did those climbs...nobody goes up the final climb of a mountain stage "fresh" and the big climbs are generally during the same stages of the tour so fatigue will be much the same.

 

Quintana has never opened up a 60 sec gap on Froome in no time?

You can't view an climb like that in isolation and then make up your mind on if he is doping or not. Many factors determine the speed of a rider on a climb like that and many factors determine the other riders speed on the same climb on the same day.

Some days you are the hammer and some days you are the nail...that's the way it goes at that level.

With less than 1% difference in power numbers if you have just a slight off day then 60seconds is nothing!

Tejay was one of the guys that came out in support to Chris after that big stage win this year. He basically said that looking at his own power numbers on the day he did not ride at close to what he normally would be able to do and he could not explain why but he knows that he was on a slight bad day. Yet he finished not far behind Froome so to him it made sense based on what he knows he can do.

 

Come I ask you this question.

 

If you do a 60min FTP test everyday for 5 days when do you think your best results would occur? Day 1 ,2 or day 5?

 

Now if you had a Heart Rate Monitor on during these test , when do you think your heart rate would be highest, lowest and when will you get the best results?

 

If what you are implying is correct , then we wasting our time with rest days( when you reached your peak) ,as you stated above have nothing to do with power output. 

 

Based on my personal experience( yes I ride with power and HR) low HR does effect power.

 

Back to Froom.

 

Its Froom that opened 60sec on Quintana 2015 TDF

Same like he did on ventoux  against everyone.

All I'm saying is look at post count...or should that be said on Fridays?

[Stricker]

All I'm saying is look at post count...or should that be said on Fridays?

Based on your last post, your 1772 isn't worth much

[Stricker]

@Nonchain,

 

I get what you saying and I agree. HR response time will be gone , unfortunately so will some of the power

 

Anyway , Froom is clean until proven otherwise, lets just leave it there.   

[gurns]

Don't forget body fat sitting at close to 17% in 2007. 

I think my body fat was more in the region of 20% back then

[Rocket-Boy]

 

Quintana put in more than a minute into Froome during the final mountain stage. In fact if you look at the time spend in the Mountains alone I think Quintana was faster on avg on all climbs combined.

If you look at the 2 riders both look like climbers...the one is small and light and the other is tall and thin as hell. We not talking Lance or Indurain here(big riders).....if a rider looks like Quintana or Froome I expect them to fly up mountains. I also expect them to accelerate fast when the gradient goes steep..it's just natural.

In all honesty Quintana destroyed Froome on the mountains in the TdF, it was only his big push early on that saved him from loosing the yellow jersey.

[nochain]

In all honesty Quintana destroyed Froome on the mountains in the TdF, it was only his big push early on that saved him from loosing the yellow jersey.

I won't say destroyed..(clearly I back Froome..  ) but yes he had one up on him this year for sure.

I think those 2 are so close right now that when you look at all the encounters they have had in all the stage races it's dead even.

I think that is part of the frustration with the whole Froome thing...Quintana can "destroy" Froome and everybody applauds it..no questions asked.

Why the double standard?

Is it because currently Quintana is the underdog? What will happen if he end up beating this "super natural" in the tour?

Will people then say but how can you beat this "freak of nature" you must also be on something?

[kosmonooit]

In all honesty Quintana destroyed Froome on the mountains in the TdF, it was only his big push early on that saved him from loosing the yellow jersey.

 

 

One way of looking at it. ...  the other is Chris / Sky was being strategic about the race, they have even said that they planned that early big attack after checking out the route, that Quintanana did or could not respond then, when it really mattered, meant he wasn't going to win.  For Chris it was just a matter of preserving his lead, similar to 2013. Doesn't make for the most exciting race, but it produced the result. Get ahead whilst you can. Make hay whilst the sun shines.

 

As for 'smoke' /  Vuelta break-through, other way of seeing it was he was just beginning to show his cards/shine, and remember he had to play 2nd man to the The Wig. Yes the timing was good in  terms of contracts, but that's the way the cookie crumbles, and he was doing his own agent thing.  His attacks then (against Cobo) were classic! Well planned and totally max!

[Patchelicious]

In all honesty Quintana destroyed Froome on the mountains in the TdF, it was only his big push early on that saved him from loosing the yellow jersey.

Yet Froome is labeled a doper based on performance....