dev null Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) unfortunately i can only get 1 firearm so it needs to be a compromise between the 2. i am sure my wife will have no problem with the .40 .40 do not have heavy recoil. It is a low velocity caliber. More important is to take your wife to the range to show her proper technique for handling the firearm when shooting, and for racking the slide. Edited October 30, 2018 by Moridin
Kranswurm Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 .40 do not have heavy recoil. It is a low velocity caliber.9mm is generally recognized as a far better all round caliberMy go to when I still had guns was 9mm para.
forkie Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 .40 do not have heavy recoil. It is a low velocity caliber. More important is to take your wife to the range to show her proper technique for handling the firearm when shooting, and for racking the slide.will be paying for some professional instructions for her. She will not have the gun in the house unless she knows exactly how to use it
forkie Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 9mm is generally recognized as a far better all round caliberMy go to when I still had guns was 9mm para.until you have to use it on a bushpig
Kranswurm Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) until you have to use it on a bushpigProbably...mine was not for bushpigs Sir Ranulph Fiennes put his store in a 44 mag revolver for stopping power for polar bears.For some reason,which I cant remember,they were prevented from packing rifles in his arctic expeditions Edited October 30, 2018 by Kranswurm forkie 1
V12man Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 9mm is generally recognized as a far better all round caliberMy go to when I still had guns was 9mm para.Recognized by who exactly as a better all round caliber? It is a military round - designed to cause injury and not death - so your military logistics gets overloaded with patients requiring care. It is not the official caliber of either the FBI or the CIA any more for 1 specific reason - it's not very effective at stopping bad guys compared to other calibers - and they both have gone bigger - .40 and 10mm auto. 10mm auto's only disadvantage is that it's usually a big weapon and not very concealable. US police forces are also moving away from 9mm - with ,40 being the current favorite for duty weapons.
Kranswurm Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Recognized by who exactly as a better all round caliber? It is a military round - designed to cause injury and not death - so your military logistics gets overloaded with patients requiring care. It is not the official caliber of either the FBI or the CIA any more for 1 specific reason - it's not very effective at stopping bad guys compared to other calibers - and they both have gone bigger - .40 and 10mm auto. 10mm auto's only disadvantage is that it's usually a big weapon and not very concealable. US police forces are also moving away from 9mm - with ,40 being the current favorite for duty weapons.Actually thats not quite correct.The FBI are changing back to 9mm from the .40The Army has gone for the Sig 9mm to replace the Model 92 which was my favourite but a bit big Odinson 1
gummibear Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 The .40 has a huge kick compared to the 9mm.Reason i bought a 9mm was that i was trained to double tap and it's become instinct now.The .40 is slow for that second shot.Instead of 2 in chest i was getting 1 in the chest and 1 in the collarbone. With the newer 9mm ammo companies are getting similar ballistics with both rounds..40 does penetrate a little deeper though but wound size is similar. To me having 2-3 extra rounds is more important than a more powerful round.Also having an accurate second shot is very important. You can't compare the two when using solid ball ammo though. FBI decided on the 9mm again because accuracy dropped when they went over to .40. Units that use a SMG's are still sticking to .40 and .45 as backup weapons. Unless you destroy the brain or heart the caliber will make no difference.Get what you want, with decent expanding ammo and train properly. DJR, johnson, dev null and 1 other 4
gummibear Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Actually thats not quite correct.The FBI are changing back to 9mm from the .40The Army has gone for the Sig 9mm to replace the Model 92 which was my favourite but a bit bigSig is lighter with the polymer frame. The sights are way better than the 92F It has the rail for a torch or laser. Sig has 17-21 round magazine compared to 15. Sig is actually a bit bigger than 92F Trigger is smoother on the 92F
dev null Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 The .40 has a huge kick compared to the 9mm.Reason i bought a 9mm was that i was trained to double tap and it's become instinct now.The .40 is slow for that second shot.Instead of 2 in chest i was getting 1 in the chest and 1 in the collarbone. With the newer 9mm ammo companies are getting similar ballistics with both rounds..40 does penetrate a little deeper though but wound size is similar. To me having 2-3 extra rounds is more important than a more powerful round.Also having an accurate second shot is very important. You can't compare the two when using solid ball ammo though. FBI decided on the 9mm again because accuracy dropped when they went over to .40. Units that use a SMG's are still sticking to .40 and .45 as backup weapons. Unless you destroy the brain or heart the caliber will make no difference.Get what you want, with decent expanding ammo and train properly. Shot placement is probably the most defining factor with small arms. Even a .22 will kill you if the shot hits the right target on the body. The problem is that most shots at target goes to the biggest part of the body, it being the chest (mostly lungs as the heart is much smaller and very hard to hit), and a shot at the lungs are not really effective in stopping an advancing target.
DJR Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Sig is lighter with the polymer frame. The sights are way better than the 92F It has the rail for a torch or laser. Sig has 17-21 round magazine compared to 15. Sig is actually a bit bigger than 92F Trigger is smoother on the 92FHow is the Sig for reliability? The Beretta 92 is a bit like Shimano SPDs - just keeps on working no matter what. gummibear and Kranswurm 2
Kranswurm Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 How is the Sig for reliability? The Beretta 92 is a bit like Shimano SPDs - just keeps on working no matter what.Ha ha ...I could strip mine with my eyes closed
dev null Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) How is the Sig for reliability? The Beretta 92 is a bit like Shimano SPDs - just keeps on working no matter what. Sigs are legendary for reliability. If I could I would get myself a P229 as carry. Even better if it was a Legion issue. Edited October 31, 2018 by Moridin gummibear and DJR 2
gummibear Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 How is the Sig for reliability? The Beretta 92 is a bit like Shimano SPDs - just keeps on working no matter what.Sig's are very reliable pistols A few of the cops here are carrying M18 and i was lucky to get a few shots in. it's a great weapon that shoots well. DJR 1
forkie Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 this is my thinking and it may very well be complete bollocks. if i am in a situation i want the bad guy to go down, but if possble not die. i just think it makes any follow up court appearances easier. but the harder he goes down the better, so a bigger hole in a non vital area would be more effective than a smaller one. mon-goose 1
mon-goose Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 i would probably aim for the legs first. get him down and then run
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