KidCharlemagne Posted June 17, 2016 Share Oh, the display of arrogance and disdain by this "doyen of the cycling industry" is nothing short of outrageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose! Posted December 22, 2016 Share Some update on the appeal Wonder who is going to pay for this at the end... http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/final-blow-for-bicycle-cartel-20161222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lechatnoir Posted December 22, 2016 Share Some update on the appeal Wonder who is going to pay for this at the end... http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/final-blow-for-bicycle-cartel-20161222 I think if we look in the mirror, we'll know... Hey!! I know that guy! Mongoose! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose! Posted December 22, 2016 Share I think if we look in the mirror, we'll know... Hey!! I know that guy! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXV Posted December 22, 2016 Share Some update on the appeal Wonder who is going to pay for this at the end... http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/final-blow-for-bicycle-cartel-20161222Glad they lost the appeal. What they did was clearly illegal. I can't believe so many other business owners got hooked in and didn't even bother to read the regulations before attending. The fact that the agenda blatantly indicated the purpose of the meeting is enough proof of guilt. My problem is the fine is way too low. Typically the competition tribunal/commission fines 10% on affected turnover. These guys colluded to increase retail prices by an additional 15 to 25% over their prevailing margins so after a 10% slap on the wrist the effort was still worthwhile for them. I don't see the disincentive here. The fingered retailers were all let off and only 2 wholesalers punished with a nominal fine. Crime did pay in this case. The proof is in the pudding as I have not seen decreases or even a period of levelling off in bike / parts costs and I think they are still doing it. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Mongoose! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted December 22, 2016 Share Glad they lost the appeal. What they did was clearly illegal. I can't believe so many other business owners got hooked in and didn't even bother to read the regulations before attending. The fact that the agenda blatantly indicated the purpose of the meeting is enough proof of guilt. My problem is the fine is way too low. Typically the competition tribunal/commission fines 10% on affected turnover. These guys colluded to increase retail prices by an additional 15 to 25% over their prevailing margins so after a 10% slap on the wrist the effort was still worthwhile for them. I don't see the disincentive here. The fingered retailers were all let off and only 2 wholesalers punished with a nominal fine. Crime did pay in this case. The proof is in the pudding as I have not seen decreases or even a period of levelling off in bike / parts costs and I think they are still doing it. Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkWhich bike shops were all implicated in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXV Posted December 22, 2016 Share Which bike shops were all implicated in this?Long list in post #204 further back in this thread..... quoted from an online news site....some well known names. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Edited December 22, 2016 by JXV Sepia and Patchelicious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpollard Posted December 22, 2016 Share Man, really liked hotspot till I read this. Well, I'm off to find a new place to blow my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted December 22, 2016 Share Long list in post #204 further back in this thread..... quoted from an online news site....some well known names. Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkThis? Lloyd Gedye - Mail&Guardian - Thursday, 09 June 2016 The Competition Tribunal has fined two bicycle dealers who denied being part of a cartel, but those who admitted guilt have got off scot-free. It’s one thing to find out that you have been paying more than you should for your bicycle and parts because of a cartel, but it’s another thing entirely to be told by a cartel member to “get on your bike” when you voice your outrage. It was Coolheat Cycle Agencies’ managing director, Stephen Meltzer, who responded in this way to angry cycling enthusiasts on the website TheHubSA when the minutes from a meeting of colluding bicycle wholesalers and retailers were first exposed in 2008. Meltzer has been described as the “doyen of the cycling industry”, of which he has been part since 1979 when he founded Coolheat. He came in for heavy criticism from the Competition Tribunal last week when it threw the book at two cycling wholesalers, handing down judgment in the long-running bicycle cartel case. In total, 11 bicycle retailers and six wholesalers had already admitted colluding, but two were adamant that they had done nothing wrong and so went before a tribunal hearing in May last year. But the tribunal decided otherwise and found both Omnico and Coolheat Cycle Agencies guilty of price-fixing, fining them R4.6-million and R4.2-million respectively. They have 120 days in which to pay the fines. The decision to take their chances at the tribunal proved costly, as the others who had admitted their guilt were let off without a fine. They are: Melody Street 18, Hotspot Cycles, Maverick Cycles, Saloojee’s Cycles, West Rand Cycles, Bowman Cycles, Albatros Fishing & Cycling, Citek Cycle Distributors, Maillot Jaune Trading, Bicicletta, Le Peloton, Thule Car Rack Systems, Dunkeld Cycles, Summit Cycles, Bester Cycles, Johnson Cycle Works and New Just Fun Group. Omnico was given a 50% discount on its fine because it had only implemented the collusive agreement in a limited way, but the tribunal fined Coolheat the full possible amount because of Meltzer’s behaviour. In its judgment, the tribunal pointed out that Meltzer was in attendance throughout the hearing but chose not to testify. It also criticised his dismissive and condescending attitude on TheHubSA, where the minutes from the meeting on colluding were first published in September 2008, sparking the Competition Commission’s investigation. In response to an irate public comment on the website, Meltzer wrote that “the minutes on TheHubSA are not entirely the same as what was actually mentioned in this meeting. There are a lot of issues, which have been relayed, which have been incorrectly minuted. Do yourselves a favour, get on your bike and go enjoy yourselves.” The tribunal’s judgment reads: “One would have expected him in such circumstances to be enthusiastic to provide the tribunal with an explanation of his posts rather than leaving readers thereof with the impression that he ridiculed those who expressed outrage at the alleged collusion.” A fellow colluder, Fritz Pienaar of Fritz Pienaar Cycles, said he was “disappointed” that some industry players who had supported the proposal to increase margins distanced themselves from the decision when they saw how angry consumers were on TheHubSA. The brazenness with which the cycling industry organised itself into a cartel is startling. During the hearing last year, the tribunal heard testimony about meetings that were organised in 2008 to set the recommended retail selling price for all bicycles and parts. The agenda for a meeting held on September 10 2008 at the Midrand Conference Centre, which more than 200 people from the industry attended, states explicitly that the subject is “margins in the bicycle retail industry”. The agenda also refers to “proposed new mark-ups of 50% on bicycles and 75% on bike accessories”, and a proposed date, October 1 2008, on which to implement the increases. The mark-up at the time was 30% to 35% on bicycles and 50% on bicycle accessories. Revealingly, the last item on the agenda is “price-fixing concerns”. Pienaar confirmed at the tribunal that, as minuted, he said at the meeting: “Many of you are concerned that this may be some form of price-fixing; it isn’t and this is not illegal.” Pienaar was also implicated in allegations of threats and coercion against another bicycle wholesaler, Probike, which initially refused to be part of the meeting because of concerns about collusion. Probike did not attend the first two meetings, held in May and June 2008. Probike’s Brandon Els expressed his concerns about collusion to Pienaar in late August 2008 after being invited to the third meeting. Pienaar is alleged by Els to have responded with the threat of a group boycott against the wholesaler. “Mr Pienaar made it clear in my boardroom that retailers who attend the meeting would be encouraged to cancel their accounts with Probike if it did not support the initiative to raise the mark-ups,” Els told the tribunal. “I felt that he was threatening Probike to ensure we attended the meeting.” The tribunal’s judgment records: “According to Els, it was this threat that made him decide to send [Probike employee Dave] Wyatt to the September meeting.” But Pienaar denied threatening Probike. Following the publication of the minutes of the meeting on TheHubSA, Els said he distanced Probike from the proposed margin increases. He told the tribunal that after that there were “just short of 10 retailers” who cancelled their accounts with Probike. “I believe these were closed as a result of Probike refusing to increase its recommended retail pricing to the retailers, and due to the views I expressed on the Hub about the proposal to increase the prices of cycling product,” Els told the tribunal. “Those accounts were retailers that I know to be affiliated to Mr Pienaar.” The tribunal’s judgment brings to an end the commission’s investigation into the bicycle retail and wholesale sectors. JXV and Jooste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchelicious Posted December 22, 2016 Share Surely the brands who are distributed by these wholesalers would want to distance themselves from this? JXV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted December 22, 2016 Share Some update on the appeal Wonder who is going to pay for this at the end... http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/final-blow-for-bicycle-cartel-20161222*Sarcasm font on I'm sure they'll pay it from their cash in the bank and won't get it from us consumers *Sarcasm font off Sent from my LG-D958 using Tapatalk RocknRolla and Mongoose! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Repost the list please? I've had a run in with Coolheat back in the day. Was a certain mr Fowler though. They still the Shimano peeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted December 22, 2016 Share Repost the list please? I've had a run in with Coolheat back in the day. Was a certain mr Fowler though. They still the Shimano peeps? It's in patch's post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydd Posted December 22, 2016 Share And yet the distributors don't learn from this and continue to try and screw the small operations that do excellent work. Who died and let them try to decide who can excel in the industry and who can't. Makes me sick. Anyway, quality of work speaks a lot louder than a big brand store name in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted December 22, 2016 Share Cool heat hey.. Omnico are also the devil but cool heat are not only rude, obnoxious and awkward, they are also really bad at representing Shimano. As an ex bike shop owner I really do speak from experience. Cape Cycle systems, Paragon, etc all used to work with the shops. These guys just dictated to you. (Not sure if still the case.... but sending goods 3 months after it was mentioned to the agent looong after you told them not to bother as they didn't have stock at the time and then taking you to task for refusing to pay because, well, you needed it in June not in August and aren't interested......) I will never own a Cannondale/Mongoose etc as long as they are run by these bullies.. (I know they don't care but pffft... one needs the small victories! hahaha) Simon123 and BrandonF_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepia Posted December 22, 2016 Share Cool heat hey.. There are also some other interesting names on that list. Some of them seen to be redeemers of the bicycling industry.What would they all be doing at the meeting.............. Why do we still believe a leopard will change its spots? Edited December 22, 2016 by Sepia Jewbacca 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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